Quoting Ant McWatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Quoting Ant McWatt April 14th (starting with a spin from the "Ragged
> Trousered Philanthropists"):
>
> >The GP deputising service ("Grimecare") mentioned in the Independent
> >article is private!
> >
> >Note the first sentence from "Grimecare's" website:
> >
> >"Grimecare is part of the Nestor Healthcare Group, the UK's number one
> >independent provider of personnel and service solutions to the fast-growing
> >health and social care market."
> >
> >http://www.primecare.uk.net
> >
> >
> >As Platt meant to say... privatised healthcare, thanks but no thanks! :-)
>
>
> Platt Holden replied to the above April 14th:
>
> Nice try, Ant. To repeat the headline and first sentence of the Independent
> story:
>
> "Neglectful' NHS told dying woman to take laxatives
> By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor
> Published: 13 April 2007
>
> "A 36-year-old mother of four died in agony as a result of "gross" errors
> by NHS staff made on two separate occasions, an inquest found."
>
> Last time I looked, NHS means Britain's National Health Service, a
> socialized
> system of government health care.
>
>
> Ant McWatt comments:
>
> Look again my short-sighted friend. The article doesn't state whether these
> "NHS staff" were from the public or private sectors (though we know
> definitely, from later in the article, that some of them were from the
> privatised "Grimecare"). As I mentioned earlier this month, since the 1980s
> when the NHS began to follow the Thatcher introduced philosophies of
> right-wing US business "gurus", it's been a mix of privatised and publically
> owned services (rather than the just the latter). Hence, amongst other
> conservative follies, the expensive mess you mentioned about the recent
> updating of the NHS computer system into one network.
>
> (BTW, if you require references about Thatcher's misplaced love affair with
> right-wing US business "gurus", look at the bibliography of my education
> essay at robertpirsig.org)
>
>
> Platt Holden continued April 14th:
>
> Or perhaps I should no longer believe Jos Laycock that the Independent is
> an example of professional, i.e., accurate journalism?
>
> Ant McWatt comments:
>
> Or perhaps you should look into an issue properly before spouting nonsense
> about it? :-)
>
>
> Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER April 14th:
>
> >Platt's correct in quoting the first sentence, but Ant is correct in
> >pointing
> >out that the negligence is the fault of Primecare (a privitized health
> >provider). Read the article, and you'll see that.
>
> >The link is here
> >(http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2056106,00.html)
>
> Platt Holden replied to Arlo April 14th:
>
> So then it would appear that the journalistic professionalism of the
> Independent
> is not what Jos Laycock purported it to be, given that that both the
> headline
> and the lead are misleading.
>
> Ant McWatt comments:
>
> So now it's the paper's fault that you didn't read the full article
> properly?
>
> Platt continued April 14th:
>
> Am I now to scratch that paper from my list of trustworthy news sources?
>
> Ant McWatt comments:
>
> That would be a mistake on your part as Jos Laycock is indeed correct to
> point out that the Independent is one of the most trustworthy newspapers
> published in the UK.
>
> Platt continued April 14th:
>
> Where shall I go in England to find a straight-talking newspaper?
> The Sun? At least I presume the girls it features are genuine.
>
> Ant McWatt comments:
>
> Well, being a Murdoch owned rag, it comes as no surprise that the Sun has an
> equally low journalistic quality on a par with the other Murdoch owned media
> sources you often quote on this forum.
>
> Anyway, to expand this argument, the NHS is an example of when a particular
> ideology is followed blindly irrespective of its appropriateness for a
> particular service or provision of goods. The MOQ shows that what _works
> best_ in practice must be given priority above the tenets of any particular
> static ideology (whether that's socialism or capitalism or whatever).
> Hence, selling automobiles is fine within a 100% free market (you're not
> going to die if you don't have the latest Oldsmobile) but selling healthcare
> isn't. Privatising the NHS to any further extent than it is already isn't
> the answer to its problems.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Anthony
>
>
> .
>
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