Arlo: Thanks for reminding us of Pirsig's thoughts on death. They have given me some moments of comfort from the agony of losing my daughter to brain cancer several years ago. The hurt never subsides completely, but to be reminded that she was always much more than her body pattern helps. Incidentally, similar thoughts are expressed by Hofstadter in his new book, "I Am a Strange Loop," a book I know you would enjoy.
Regards, Platt Quoting Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Pirsig's words on Chris' death in the afterward to ZMM is one of the > more meaningful short considerations of "death" I have come across. > Worth repeating. The "pattterns" Pirisig talks about, I believe, are > the dialogic inter-social, and intellectual, patterns we build over > our biological lives. They are larger than "us", and are not limited > nor confined to the biological patterns from which they emerge. Your > wife lives not only in the voices and echoes and dreams of those who > knew her, but in the myriad of ways her participation with them > effected their being, their patterns, their activity. In this sense, > I believe, we are all at once both echoes and sound. > > "I tend to become taken with philosophic questions, going over them > and over them and over them again in loops that go round and round > and round until they either produce an answer or become so > repetitively locked on they become psychiatrically dangerous, and now > the question became obsessive: "Where did he go?" > > Where did Chris go? He had bought an airplane ticket that morning. He > had a bank account, drawers full of clothes, and shelves full of > books. He was a real, live person, occupying time and space on this > planet, and now suddenly where was he gone to? Did he go up the stack > at the crematorium? Was he in the little box of bones they handed > back? Was he strumming a harp of gold on some overhead cloud? None of > these answers made any sense. > > It had to be asked: What was it I was so attached to? Is it just > something in the imagination? When you have done time in a mental > hospital, that is never a trivial question. If he wasn't just > imaginary, then where did he go? Do real things just disappear like > that? If they do, then the conservation laws of physics are in > trouble. But if we stay with the laws of physics, then the Chris that > disappeared was unreal. Round and round and round. He used to run off > like that just to make me mad. Sooner or later he would always > appear, but where would he appear now? After all, really, where did he go? > > The loops eventually stopped at the realization that before it could > be asked "Where did he go?" it must be asked "What is the 'he' that > is gone?" There is an old cultural habit of thinking of people as > primarily something material, as flesh and blood. As long as this > idea held, there was no solution. The oxides of Chris's flesh and > blood did, of course, go up the stack at the crematorium. But they > weren't Chris. > > What had to be seen was that the Chris I missed so badly was not an > object but a pattern, and that although the pattern included the > flesh and blood of Chris, that was not all there was to it. The > pattern was larger than Chris and myself, and related us in ways that > neither of us understood completely and neither of us was in complete > control of. > > Now Chris's body, which was a part of that larger pattern, was gone. > But the larger pattern remained. A huge hole had been torn out of the > center of it, and that was what caused all the heartache. The pattern > was looking for something to attach to and couldn't find anything. > That's probably why grieving people feel such attachment to cemetery > headstones and any material property or representation of the > deceased. The pattern is trying to hang on to its own existence by > finding some new material thing to center itself upon." (Pirsig, ZMM > Afterward) > > Arlo > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
