Hi Ian I think we could set my problem out in terms of emergence. Is not emergence (which is key to DQ I'd suggest) a challenge to some of our usual naturalist, and immanentist assumptions?
Do we not have to see emergence as offering something forth from a beyond the immement, otherwise what do we mean by emergence? For me, this beyond is not supernatural in any over rated sense, nor some sort of realm of pre-set ideal forms. For me what has to lie beyond the finite and yet be accessible to the finite so that it can be dynamic is a source of variation and variety, perhaps infinitely varied. What else could lie beyond the finite and law bound but the law-free and unbounded? What lies beyond the actual is infinite possibility. What can be realised and brought into the actual is what is possible for us, what cannot be accessed is what is our impossible. In other universes this possible/impossible distinction could be different, and as nature (of which we are part) dynamically expands the actuality of this universe through time, the division between possible/impossible changes. For example, I once had a possible chance with Karen Y in the 4th year but I blew it and made this possibility forever impossible for me.Whereas Karen Z in the 4th year was never even a possibility! Whilst Karen X became a no hoper for me in 1976 due to circumstances beyond my control/influence, etc. David M ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [MD] On Life and death > Hi DM, tricky questions ... > > On 5/4/07, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >> >> What is this 'larger' not fully in our control >> yet not entirely beyond it? > > [IG] The cosmos and all the patterns within it maybe. We're not in > "control" of much of it, though in the long run, we could have a lot > of influence on what hapens to many of those patterns and through them > the cosmos as a whole. It's not entirely beyond us because there are > so many (a-causal) interactions and influences arising between us and > many of those patterns. > > And >> >> What does DQ provide that SQ does not? >> > > [IG] Apart form opportunities to evolve ? You may have to elaborate on > your question DM ? > > Ian > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
