> > [Horse] > I just don't think that the term collective consciousness is > particularly useful... > > [Arlo] > I think this is because you externalize it, while I see it as fundamentally US. > Our "selves" are every bit as much the knowledge it assimilates as it > is the bodily-experiences unique to us as embodied beings.
See above. I'm not externalizing just applying the process in terms of the MoQ and patterns of value. > > [Horse] > Consciousness and knowledge have a relationship within the > intellectual level but are not the same thing. > > [Arlo] > Yes, they are, considering that "consciousness" also includes the > unique experiences of our bodily-kinesthetic being. > > [Horse] > So let's get rid of the causes of the ridiculous mass debate and look > at the whole thing from a different perspective. An MoQ perspective > would be quite nice. > > [Arlo] > I think this is what I do. [Horse] I think we're both trying to do this, along with others on this list, but still having a hard time with the terminology. Still, it's certainly fun going about it. > > [Arlo previously] > Bottom line, its a dance, not a war. [Ron] I think I opened up a 50 gal (4.5 litre)drum of worms with this thread, but glad I did in retrospect. A lot of questions were answered and suspected views affirmed, all in all, several great posts from both sides of the fence. Like Horse, I feel the terminology and the understanding of the terms in regard to preconception makes this topoic a game of golf using 50 pound sledge hammers, tedious, heavy and tiresome and when taking broad strokes the possibility of injury to self and others Increases the longer you play. The term "collective intelligence" is clumsy and and prone to assumption I think everyone agrees that knowledge has the ability to connect and collect and as Arlo suggested, An interplay of related experience both dynamic and static on a shared level of understanding. The big question and the one I sense Ham railing against is the idea of the whole being greater Than the sum of it's parts. He sees this as a loss of individuallity and free agent status Yet when asked if the brain works in this manner to achieve conscousness I tend to get the Idea he views consciousness as a seperated entity from the "colletive" processes of the brain. question: Do we tend to view ourselves as a collective? We certainly seem to define ourselves this way Ie. "one small step for man. One giant leap for mankind."-Niel Armstrong moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
