[Ham]
However, collective energy directed toward mutual goals is not what the
MoQers mean by "collective knowledge" or the "collective intellect".
They literally see Intelligence as the brass rail reached for in the DQ
merry-go-round.  That is, they do not view value sensibility and
intellectual comprehension as faculties of the individual.  On the
contrary, they see individual cognizance as a biological product
("pattern") of the Intellectual Level and reject the "egoistic self" as
a myth.  And that's a divide I cannot cross.

Thanks for remaining open to other perspectives.

[Ron]
I think remaining open is what this is all about. 

I have to say I do not see collective intelligence as the brass rail at
the center of the universe.
You captured it best with "collective energy toward mutual goals" . I
think we are all trying
To get to the same understanding but past "epic wars" have dug up old
grudges, being relativly
new to the scene, I see a lot of talking past each other on this
subject. Looking at it in a broad
Perpective the divide is not as great as it would seem. The term
"Noosphere" is closer to the
"Collective conscious" idea you despise.My post initially did not
receive much response until
The original text was washed out then the trouble began. I see
collective energy toward mutual goals
and instinctual tribal banding behaviour as you mentioned, to be the
central theme, not centalized 
Awareness and thought. 
Thanks Ham,
We'll iron this [EMAIL PROTECTED] out yet!
-Ron




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