Arlo, See, we do sometimes agree. I'd like to delve into this further with you. I have a different understanding of the Communist Manifesto.
Micah -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ARLO J BENSINGER JR Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Collective intelligence (Granger) [Micah] When did they hold the vote on whether people needed to be ruled? [Arlo] What a great question! Of course, Marx believed that the overthrow of the bourgeoisie would begin a temporary time of transitional rule by a Party speaking for the workers (the communist party), but that this would eventually disappear as communities would organize into self-governing "communes" (to simplify a bit) with little to no "authoritative" government. In other words, people who "vote" that they "did not need to be ruled". "The "first phase" [of the communist revolution] would eventually give way to a "higher phase" in which class differences were eliminated, and a state was no longer needed." (Wikipedia on Communism) Many consider this a pipe-dream, given the seemingly insurmountable obstacle of human greed, ambition and desire for power (and they may be right). But take solace knowing that Marx, like you, decried the final need for a "state" as well. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
