At 11:58 AM 6/1/2007, you wrote: >Marsha: >What of the Religious Left? And the poor, excluded religious middle? Are >they keen thinkers? > > >dmb says: >i suppose there are some people and organizations that could be described as >members of religious left (Jim Wallace, Paul Tillich, Liberation Theology, >the Unitarians) but if the religious left is imagined as a movement that can >act as some kind of counterweight in American politics and culture, I would >say that there is no such thing as the religious left. And generally >speaking I'm with Sam Harris. He condemns religious moderates insofar as >they seems to make the religious right seem legitimate, insofar as they lend >support to the idea that its okay to believe things for which there is no >evidence. > >Poverty is definately going to have profound effects on a person's >intellectual development and I think that loss of human potential is a >great, great evil. This is one of the central reasons that social Darwinism >freaks me out. It blames the victims of this crime. > >How about you, Marsha? Do you think there are acceptable forms of theism? Do >you think it a good move to fight right-wing theists with left-wing theists? >Somehow I don't think that's what you meant to imply. I'd guess the problem >you see here is something more like elitism. If that's the case, I guess I'd >have to admit that it is a kind of elitism. Wilber definately has a >hierarchy (holarchy, as he puts it)built right in to his system. That's very >unpopular these days, but I'd point out that the MOQ also shares this >feature and it is an important part of the perennial philosophy too. If >Wilber is correct, the modern West is just about the only culture that >doesn't rank reality in a hierarchy.
Dmb, I really do not know that much about Social Darwinism to have an opinion. I do not think that there is an acceptable religion, or form of theism. Religions are a leading cause of intellectual poverty. Damn them all! Life, to me, is more everything-is-connected-to-everything, no top, no bottom. RMP's hierarchical levels are a working model for the MOQ. It's assistance to restructuring understand from SOM to a MOQ worldview. Brilliant! Brilliant!! Brilliant!!! But, to me, "reality", the now version, is more like the net-of-jewels model. Marsha moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
