dmb said to David M:
...the collaspe of the myth of the given leaves us with a reality that is
inherently interpretive rather than objective. We're basically talking about
a rejection of realism. Pirsig and Rorty share this much...
DM replied:
...My point is, if reality/experience is interpreted, we have to add
something (interpretation, i.e SQ) to our experience, hence we transcend the
given (how else do we evolve?-DQ is by definition transcendent, otherwise
there would be nothing new entering actuality to be called DQ).
dmb says:
Dave, that makes no sense. If reality is interpreted we have to add
interpretation? Thus we transcend the given? No, that's exactly wrong. The
idea is that there is no "given" reality and that reality already comes
packaged in interpretations. And DQ is transcendent by definition? Wrong on
both counts. DQ is known in experience and does not transcend it. DQ has no
definition. I would also point out that your so-called explanation consists
of a single, wildly convoluted sentence. Its kind of hard to believe that
you're sincerely interested in explaining this idea.
C'mon Dave. Who is writing embarrassing knee-jerk posts here?
Despite my having read hundreds of posts from you over the years, I still
have no idea what you think about anything. Every time I ask what you're
saying you just insult me and give me things to read.
Are you here to have conversations or not? I wouldn't mind having one with
you but apparently you just aren't interested. That's fine, but I wonder why
you bother to post at all then?
Does anybody here understand what this guy is trying to say? Feel free to
jump in and help me out.
dmb
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