[Ron] Arlo, I've had similar sentiments regarding original Christian thought, I too suspect it started out with an MOQ aim, to unite subject and object (dualism) with the concept of a Christ. to be "born again" is to see reality as a child to be flexible and accepting without preconception.
[Arlo] I think an esoteric reading of any mythology will lead to metaphorically vieled understandings that are quite similar (universal?). This was the beauty of Joseph Campbell's work. But in the Toynbee passage, I think he's simply stating the "yin-yang" in poetic words. A continuous cycle of rebirth is DQ, the "old thing again" is SQ. "Palingenesia" is the DQ/SQ cycle. When Toynbee says, "Only birth can conquer death-the birth, not of the old thing again, but of something new", he is talking about DQ. You may as well say, "Only DQ can conquer SQ-the Dynamic invention, not of the old SQ again, but of something new. " Same thing, poetic versus philosophic words. [Ron] I agree, thanks for the post. The weather has been great this side of the mountains, get a chance to get out on the road? I wonder if Pirsig still rides. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
