Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > Yes, we are not surprised that you consider Castro's Cuba a success. > > [Arlo] > Gee, we've had this conversation before too. But I'll repeat myself one last > time, seeing as you are now in full Limbaugh mode. I don't consider Cuba a > success, I consider Cuba an embarrassment towards US foreign policy.
Quote from Arlo: "I hardly see him (Castro) as an example of Marxist failure." [Platt] > Nor that you deny a connection between Marx's "original thinking" and the > horrors of communist countries such as China and North Korea. > > [Arlo] > Unlike you, I've read and studied Marx. And I encourage anyone else to do so > who actually believes the talk-radio bunk you dole out. > > Marx's aims were perverted by people like Lenin, and finally Stalin, and then > these subsequent nationalist dictatorships that, in good neocon tradition, > felt > that people were too selfish and stupid and needed the strong hand of > patriotism and nationalism to guide them. Of course, Marx's ideas had nothing to do with the millions slaughtered in his name. Yeah, right. > [Platt] > The question was about nations, not isolated small groups. By the way, what > ever happened to all those Hippie communes? > > [Arlo] > And I answered that. Nations everywhere that tried to apply Marx fell prey to > neoconservative nationalistic bunk, and ended up propping up a regime that > ruled through propaganda, unquestionable loyalty to the state, nationalistic > pride to the point of arrogance, and the idea that this Glorious Nation myth > was needed by the poor, stupid masses. Whatever happened to all those Hippie communes? Another question ducked. > Marx, as I said here many time, as recently as in a good conversation with > Micah, was about the abolition of "government". It is sometimes now called > "anarcho-communism". Unless you can point out to me somewhere in Marx where he > says that tyrannical dictorships is the goal of communism. Goal? Even Marx was not that stupid. But to get to the goal, dictatorship was necessary. > [Platt] > Yes, only Arlo would consider armed political bullies like the KGB to be > "contextually irrelevant." > > [Arlo] > You are just drotting them out in an attempt to shift the rhetoric. I've > answered this now three times in as many posts. I understand your goal is to > shift the dialogue away from threatening grounds (state nationalism, the > obvious ties between Lenin and Strauss in their considering man as too selfish > or stupid to govern without a strong nationalist myth, and the reality of > Marx's writings that anyone can pick up and read for themselves). This is the > insipid, vile talk-radio crap that you always dole out, and it precisely this > that degenerates any conversation into the same evil stupidity that is always > had. So cry me a river about being "personally insulted", as if poor Platt the > innocent is wrongly picked on. Forcing Marxism on others at the point of a gun doesn't seem relevant to Arlo. Instead, it triggers a fusillade of vilification. > [Platt] > See comment about "embarrassing crap" in my reply to Craig's post. > > [Arlo] > As I said, anyone who has read Marx knows I am correct. Oh you can disagree, > to > be sure, and I do disagree with Marx on many counts. And anyone who has > actually read him and wants to debate/discuss it, I am game. But this > talk-radio inspired bile pushes me to my limit. You want to squalk Hannity > soundbites, go right ahead. Anyone who can pick up a book by Marx and read it > will see that I am right, and I encourage anyone who might be buying into > Platt's inspid crap to do so. > > The only ongoing embarrassment to this forum, Platt, is your disgusting, vile > and insipid rhetoric. I deal with it too much. Many just ignore it. Ian led > with the courage to call it out. But its an absolute disgusting thing to have > to deal with here, and something we should all be ashamed of. "Bile," "insipid crap," "insipid rhetoric," "disgusting," -- the childish expletives of self-proclaimed critical thinker. What a model of academic restraint he is. :-) ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
