[Platt] Quote from Arlo: "I hardly see him (Castro) as an example of Marxist failure."
[Arlo] Gee, notice how we are now a thousand miles away from my original points, namely that Lenin and Strauss both conceived of state nationalism, glorification and unyielding patriotism, to be necessary to control the selfish, stupid masses. Notice how the Marx-Lenin-Stalin trajectory was just sidestepped, and we are now boohooing over Arlo's views on Cuba. I'll let what I've already stated in the archives hold. [Platt] Of course, Marx's ideas had nothing to do with the millions slaughtered in his name. Yeah, right. [Arlo] Any more than Jesus' ideas had to do with the Inquisition, the Crusades, the burning of people in pyres, the extermination of indigenous populations and the slow-roasting of Jacques de Molay. [Platt] Whatever happened to all those Hippie communes? Another question ducked. [Arlo] Gee, we've had this same discussion on hippies before. Go figure. Hippidom failed for the reasons described by Pirsig, a conflating of biologic and Dynamic Quality. Marxism, as close of practice ever came, is evidenced in Amish communities and Jewish kibbutzs, not to mention many Tibetan communities. [Platt] Goal? Even Marx was not that stupid. But to get to the goal, dictatorship was necessary. [Arlo] Marx envisioned a transitional body that would soon dissolve as people formed local participatory communes. But thanks for offering more talk-radio bunk. [Platt] Forcing Marxism on others at the point of a gun doesn't seem relevant to Arlo. Instead, it triggers a fusillade of vilification. [Arlo] What triggers vilification is your vile and insipid rhetoric, Platt. Marxism was never forced on anyone at the point of a gun, but Leninism and Stalism were, precisely because of the strong neoconservative myth of people needing absolute obedience and patriotism towards The Glorious State. [Platt] "Bile," "insipid crap," "insipid rhetoric," "disgusting," -- the childish expletives of self-proclaimed critical thinker. What a model of academic restraint he is. :-) [Arlo] What is the point of "academic restraint" when one deals with nothing but talk-radio bunk, distortion and deception. Hardly, "childish expletives", they are accurate adjectives to describe your embarrassing and shameful rhetoric in this forum. And now Caller Number Eleven is hanging up the phone in this thread as well. Since you are in full Limbaugh mode, I see nothing whatsoever productive as an outcome, just me continually having to deal with distortion after distortion while you spew Hannity talking points. You want to read Marx and have a honest dialogue, fine. You want to sit at the golden EIB mic and spew insipid rhetoric, go waste someone else's time. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
