Allow me to point out just some distortions in your last post. [Platt] Just pointing out where your sympathies lie. I don't blame you for trying to change the subject.
[Arlo] This is just another Pee-Wee, thanks for the example. Recall that the original subject (state nationalism, Lenin and Strauss commonality and the need for a Glorious State and unyielding patriotism) was one that I just called you on avoiding by bringing up Cuba in the first place. Funny that you say this, Pee Wee's are always easy to spot. If you want to discuss Cuba, feel free to start a thread on that. I'll gladly comment there if you want to rehash Cuba. Otherwise, please go back to the original point and cut the talk-radio bile. [Arlo had said] Any more than Jesus' ideas had to do with the Inquisition, the Crusades, the burning of people in pyres, the extermination of indigenous populations and the slow-roasting of Jacques de Molay. [Platt] Or the inspiration for Western civilization and the creation of the greatest free nations known to man not to mention the moral guide for most contributors to this site. Can you say that about Marx? [Arlo] Secularism, enlightenment reason, and the examples of the Greek and the Iroquois are what led to our "free nations". There is no evidence within Christianity that without secular enlightenment we would have anything but a theocracy of some sort. Marx and Jesus were very similar in their beliefs about the nature of man, and how man would live freely, socially (communally) and without material acquisition defining the notion of "freedom". What I can say about Marx, and Jesus, which I have said many times, is that they were apparently naively optimistic about human nature. Maybe the neocons are right, man is too stupid and selfish to live without being controlled by myths of The One True Religion and The Glorious State. I'm beginning to think this. [Platt] Ah, at last -- an admission that the hippie moral movement was mistaken from the get go. [Arlo] That's just more of your vile rhetoric. We've talked about hippies countless times, and each time I point out that I agree with Pirsig, the Hippie movement was not doomed from the get-go, it was a moral movement away from social and intellectual patterns. It faltered only later, when it conflated biologic with Dynamic Quality. But keep pumping out your distortive rhetoric. [Platt] You mean a "transitional dictatorship" don't you? Amazing how you gloss over the truth. [Arlo] Kindly cite for me where Marx refers to the transitional state as "dictatorship'. Lenin made this leap, because of his odd correlation to neoconservative thinking.. namely that man needed the myth of the state to keep him from descending into nihilism. But even Lenin felt his time was temporary, it was not until Stalin that the neocon "Glorious Nation" myth solidified into a "dictatorship" as we know it. But I'll await your researched and well-read rebuttal to this. Oh wait, I'll get more Limbaughisms, won't I? Others may want to check out the Wikipedia entries for communism and marxism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism [Platt] Yes, we all can recite you invective by heart. The same old shameful lies. At least you might show a little Dynamic creativity by coming up with some new palaver. [Arlo] Why bother? You delpoy the same tactics day in and day out. Its an embarrassment to the forum and shameful to see here. So long as you keep using the same, tired, insipid, talk-radio tactics, I have no need to describe it any other way. It is what it is. As for anyone who thinks I am "lying", all they need to do is gloss over the archives. I'm confident that everyone knows this. And now truly, with a final round of distortions answered, I am done. As I said last time, please feel free to continue with more distortions, and toss in another Pee Wee (its good for others to see). The golden EIB mic is all yours. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
