Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Allow me to point out just some distortions in your last post. > > [Platt] > Just pointing out where your sympathies lie. I don't blame you for trying to > change the subject. > > [Arlo] > This is just another Pee-Wee, thanks for the example. Recall that the original > subject (state nationalism, Lenin and Strauss commonality and the need for a > Glorious State and unyielding patriotism) was one that I just called you on > avoiding by bringing up Cuba in the first place. Funny that you say this, Pee > Wee's are always easy to spot. > > If you want to discuss Cuba, feel free to start a thread on that. I'll gladly > comment there if you want to rehash Cuba. Otherwise, please go back to the > original point and cut the talk-radio bile.
Why discuss Cuba? We know where you sympathies lie. Sorry you feel abused by my pointing it out. > [Arlo had said] > Any more than Jesus' ideas had to do with the Inquisition, the Crusades, the > burning of people in pyres, the extermination of indigenous populations and > the > slow-roasting of Jacques de Molay. > > [Platt] > Or the inspiration for Western civilization and the creation of the greatest > free nations known to man not to mention the moral guide for most contributors > to this site. Can you say that about Marx? > > [Arlo] > Secularism, enlightenment reason, and the examples of the Greek and the > Iroquois are what led to our "free nations". There is no evidence within > Christianity that without secular enlightenment we would have anything but a > theocracy of some sort. Marx and Jesus were very similar in their beliefs > about > the nature of man, and how man would live freely, socially (communally) and > without material acquisition defining the notion of "freedom". No evidence that Christianity played a role in the formation of free nations? "We hold these truths to be self-evident . . . endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights. . ." Endowed by who? The Greeks? The Iroquois? If it wasn't for Martin Luther and his assertion of an individual's right of access to God without the church acting as an intermediary, the move towards individual political freedom and rights would have died aborning. But why debate history with Arlo or anything else for that matter? He will quickly resort to slurs and invective. > [Platt] > Ah, at last -- an admission that the hippie moral movement was mistaken from > the get go. > > [Arlo] > That's just more of your vile rhetoric. We've talked about hippies countless > times, and each time I point out that I agree with Pirsig, the Hippie movement > was not doomed from the get-go, it was a moral movement away from social and > intellectual patterns. It faltered only later, when it conflated biologic with > Dynamic Quality. But keep pumping out your distortive rhetoric. Well, at least you admitted it "faltered," an Arlo euphemism for "failure." > [Platt] > You mean a "transitional dictatorship" don't you? Amazing how you gloss over > the truth. > > [Arlo] > Kindly cite for me where Marx refers to the transitional state as > "dictatorship'. >From Wiki: "The "dictatorship of the proletariat" is a term employed by >Marxists that refers to a temporary state between the capitalist society and the classless and stateless communist society; during this transition period, "the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat"." > Lenin made this leap, because of his odd correlation to > neoconservative thinking.. namely that man needed the myth of the state to > keep > him from descending into nihilism. But even Lenin felt his time was temporary, > it was not until Stalin that the neocon "Glorious Nation" myth solidified into > a "dictatorship" as we know it. But I'll await your researched and well-read > rebuttal to this. Oh wait, I'll get more Limbaughisms, won't I? > > Others may want to check out the Wikipedia entries for communism and marxism. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism > > [Platt] > Yes, we all can recite you invective by heart. The same old shameful lies. At > least you might show a little Dynamic creativity by coming up with some new > palaver. > > [Arlo] > Why bother? You delpoy the same tactics day in and day out. Its an > embarrassment to the forum and shameful to see here. So long as you keep using > the same, tired, insipid, talk-radio tactics, I have no need to describe it > any > other way. It is what it is. As for anyone who thinks I am "lying", all they > need to do is gloss over the archives. I'm confident that everyone knows > this. > > And now truly, with a final round of distortions answered, I am done. As I > said > last time, please feel free to continue with more distortions, and toss in > another Pee Wee (its good for others to see). The golden EIB mic is all yours. If only we could count on it. :-) ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
