Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > Quote from Arlo: "I hardly see him (Castro) as an example of Marxist failure." > > [Arlo] > Gee, notice how we are now a thousand miles away from my original points, > namely that Lenin and Strauss both conceived of state nationalism, > glorification and unyielding patriotism, to be necessary to control the > selfish, stupid masses. Notice how the Marx-Lenin-Stalin trajectory was just > sidestepped, and we are now boohooing over Arlo's views on Cuba. I'll let what > I've already stated in the archives hold.
Just pointing out where your sympathies lie. I don't blame you for trying to change the subject. > [Platt] > Of course, Marx's ideas had nothing to do with the millions slaughtered in his > name. Yeah, right. > > [Arlo] > Any more than Jesus' ideas had to do with the Inquisition, the Crusades, the > burning of people in pyres, the extermination of indigenous populations and > the > slow-roasting of Jacques de Molay. Or the inspiration for Western civilization and the creation of the greatest free nations known to man not to mention the moral guide for most contributors to this site. Can you say that about Marx? > [Platt] > Whatever happened to all those Hippie communes? Another question ducked. > > [Arlo] > Gee, we've had this same discussion on hippies before. Go figure. Hippidom > failed for the reasons described by Pirsig, a conflating of biologic and > Dynamic Quality. Marxism, as close of practice ever came, is evidenced in > Amish > communities and Jewish kibbutzs, not to mention many Tibetan communities. Ah, at last -- an admission that the hippie moral movement was mistaken from the get go. > [Platt] > Goal? Even Marx was not that stupid. But to get to the goal, dictatorship was > necessary. > > [Arlo] > Marx envisioned a transitional body that would soon dissolve as people formed > local participatory communes. But thanks for offering more talk-radio bunk. You mean a "transitional dictatorship" don't you? Amazing how you gloss over the truth. > [Platt] > Forcing Marxism on others at the point of a gun doesn't seem relevant to Arlo. > Instead, it triggers a fusillade of vilification. > > [Arlo] > What triggers vilification is your vile and insipid rhetoric, Platt. Marxism > was never forced on anyone at the point of a gun, but Leninism and Stalism > were, precisely because of the strong neoconservative myth of people needing > absolute obedience and patriotism towards The Glorious State. > > [Platt] > "Bile," "insipid crap," "insipid rhetoric," "disgusting," -- the childish > expletives of self-proclaimed critical thinker. What a model of academic > restraint he is. :-) > > [Arlo] > What is the point of "academic restraint" when one deals with nothing but > talk-radio bunk, distortion and deception. Hardly, "childish expletives", they > are accurate adjectives to describe your embarrassing and shameful rhetoric in > this forum. > > And now Caller Number Eleven is hanging up the phone in this thread as well. > Since you are in full Limbaugh mode, I see nothing whatsoever productive as an > outcome, just me continually having to deal with distortion after distortion > while you spew Hannity talking points. You want to read Marx and have a honest > dialogue, fine. You want to sit at the golden EIB mic and spew insipid > rhetoric, go waste someone else's time. Yes, we all can recite you invective by heart. The same old shameful lies. At least you might show a little Dynamic creativity by coming up with some new palaver. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
