ian you don't get what i said.
ian:
> I have to say I don't buy the idea that the descent
> into chaos is
> inevitable with all the issues currently at global
> scale - economy,
> sustainability, religious intolerance, warmongering
> etc.
we already have descended into chaos; accept it; enjoy
it.
I can't
> accept that it's OK if we self-destruct the
> planetary ecosystems - go
> the way of the dodo - natural though it would indeed
> be.
that's not for you to judge.
For reasons I
> couldn't explain I share Jeffrey Sachs optimism that
> enough of us have
> noticed the "inevitable cycle" to influence
> proceedings before the
> next cycle of destruction reaches global
> proportions. If we haven't
> noticed, enough to act, then we are surely not the
> intelligent beings
> we think we are.
1. as i explicitly stated mankind is now, on average,
at its dumbest ever. this is a simple fact. the very
fact that we spend hours trawling over the same dead
ground on this list is testament to that.
2. it ain't up to 'us' to fix things; it is up to 'us'
to stop fucking shit up.
3. the only way to stop 'us' fucking shit up is to
become oneself, instead of 'one of us'
>
> The "man become god" arrogance - the zenith of ego
> etc, is the issue
> we need to unlearn.
again you don't get it.
1. man is fundamentally god first of all; as is
everything of course.
2. to become *consciously* god is the teleology of
man. it is the purpose to which we have given
ourselves into earthly existence.
3. transcending the ego (ie moving beyond the zenith)
is ineluctably part of this evolution of
consciousness.
Ishmael (Quinn) is about
> precisely that - learning
> that the most intelligent position is to get out of
> nature's way.
we are nature. in a way you are right: we need to get
out of our own way: the external, social, static 'me'
has to make way for the internal, natural, dynamic
'me'
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