Nice reply. Not from the heart I'd say. Perhaps somewhere a bit further south. But you seem well on your way to total thoughtlessness.
Cheers, Krimel -----Original Message----- From: gav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] i love quality decline the three ages of man: camel, lion, child.....nietzsche. i find animals and kids wiser than adults. animals don't talk about altruism. at bottom altruism is the highest form of selfishness. moral judgements are the death of morality i don't care what we need; i care about what i want. it is better that the whole world should perish rather than i act against my own nature. > [Krimel] > Yes really. Children are notoriously self centered. > Their moral judgments > are typically based on whether or not they will get > in trouble for what they > do. Animals are so similarly oriented that > biologists continue to argue as > to whether anything like altruism even exists much > less how to account for > it. > > When Buddha advises us to retain the beginner's mind > and Jesus says that we > should be born again, they are not advocating a > return to self centered > morality they are advising us to see the world > through fresh eyes. To avoid > being trapped in calcified conceptions and to be > open to new possibilities. > > > [Krimel] > > Thoughtful reflection > > is not causing problems, it is blind lusting after > > emotion. The heart can be > > filled with love or hate. Listening to it can get > > you in trouble either way. > > [gav] > the id and the ego are both obstacles in the path > > [Krimel] > As I mentioned to dmb not long ago Freud works as > art and literature but not > much else. These unconscious forces are precisely > what you are saying we > should yield to. > > > [Krimel] > > All that manipulation you see is not people with > > brains manipulating other > > people with brains. It is people with brains > > manipulating the emotions of > > people who don't think. Advertising, marketing and > > spin doctoring is smart > > people pulling the strings of people who think > with > > their hearts and spackle > > it over with rationalization. The antidote is not > > more heartfelt thinking. > > [gav] > yes it is. > > [Krimel] > So you are saying that John Hinckley who was driven > by love of Jodie Foster > would be a good role model? Harris and Klebold, > McVey, suicide bombers, > stalkers and child molesters are all thinkers of the > heart. > > Perhaps we should give serious attention to Pat > Robertson whose appeal is > primarily emotional. Jerry Springer's guests think > mostly with their hearts > as do aficionados of afternoon soap operas, > professional wrestling and > NASCAR. The Raygun/Bush crowd are driven by the > emotions in the form of > faith and nationalism. > > Is this what we need more of? > > > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
