gav, This is one of the most depressing, fatalistic, sad things I have yet read in this forum. It suggests a seriously distorted perspective. Death, destruction, Shiva, war, extinction... My God man the glass can be seen as half full too, you know. There is the other side of the coin. I suggest you focus on it a bit. I mean, we are all going to die! Come on.
I grew up in a generation where this was a serious and immediate threat. At any instant the world could end in a bang. Now if it ends it will be with a whimper. I call that progress. As for the heart being smarter than the head, children and animals wiser than adults. PULEZZZ. What clever sounding nonsense. Thoughtful reflection is not causing problems, it is blind lusting after emotion. The heart can be filled with love or hate. Listening to it can get you in trouble either way. All that manipulation you see is not people with brains manipulating other people with brains. It is people with brains manipulating the emotions of people who don't think. Advertising, marketing and spin doctoring is smart people pulling the strings of people who think with their hearts and spackle it over with rationalization. The antidote is not more heartfelt thinking. The bit about man becoming God is nice though. I have been trying to make that point for about two years now. I would not say we are there yet but we are getting there. This is the point at which I think the religious traditions have something useful to say. We know what sorts of Gods we have imagined ourselves to be ruled by. Perhaps this could help instruct us as to what sorts of Gods we would like to become. Shiva and Kali would not top my list of role models, however. Krimel -----Original Message----- From: gav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MD] i love quality decline creation - destruction birth -death love and marriage you get the gist? cannae have one without the other folks america is the destroyer. it is destroying itself and much of the world with it. BUT THIS IS HOW IT IS, AND HOW IT IS IS HOW IT IS MEANT TO BE. destruction and decay are as much a part of life as growth; inseparable. look at a rainforest: all that abundant life - the most abundant vegetative life on the planet - supported by a flimsy layer of topsoil, *supplemented by a thick mat of continually decaying matter*. it is the rotting detritus that feeds the beauty. and so it is with our human world. america is shiva's grumpy side; america is doing god's work, only those that normally preach this haven't got a fuckin clue about WHAT this work actually is. america is the end of western culture; the end of greece, rome, the renaissance. it is devolution. yes we are surrounded by primates. there is not much going on other than id and ego round here folks. freud and his family created a self-fulfilling prophecy, effectively disregarding the idea of superego cultivation: ie education. instead we have marketing, advertising and focus groups... war is the only ritual we have left. all the darkness within us - our jungian shadow - has no room to move and express itself. sex is taboo, truth is taboo, madness is taboo...taboo, taboo, taboo: but its okay cos mass slaughter is not taboo!!!! so we can ally ourselves with humanity (aka the giant), or we can ally ourselves with the earth, with the cosmos. it is possible to be in and not of the world, the human world. it is possible to look on, untouched, as it destroys itself. no i was wrong there: it is possible to look on JOYFULLY as it destroys itself. everything is divine and right. and joyous and wonderful. the fact of existence - and existential facts are the only facts there are - is staring us in the face. it is a miracle man, a mysterious miracle. our mind separates us from this recognition, this divine awareness of our unity with the cosmos. it is our mind that is poisoning us; it is our minds that have been duped, tricked, confused, misdirected and yet our mind is capable of transcending itself: IF WE TRUST OUR HEART. children and animals and plants are more intelligent than adults. they trust their hearts implicitly. it is not even a choice. we who have unlearnt wisdom, learning knowledge instead, for us there is still hope. learn from children, nature, the stars, the silence. and learn from those that have gone before you: jesus, st francis, dante, dostoevsky, joyce, miller, kerouac, hicks etc etc. so what of creation? can you feel it? the rising culture, nascent but tangible. it is a vague awareness of another angle: a new reality... or just reality: reality over realism. it is a world where man has become god. this is what jesus was on about...obviously. it is a world where miracles are possible because miracles are actually in accord with the laws of nature: the implicate order. can you let go of money, possessions, society, fame, hubris, power, ego? if not you are going the way of the dodo. but that's okay, it's how it is. ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
