JTK wrote:
>>Comments to Mozilla's 'bloat',
>>
>
> So you are going to tell me Mozilla is *not* a complete pig?
>
> BAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!
>
> But can you get a witness? I said can you get a witness brother!
Ok, let's talk about this one. How many DLLs does IE require? Here
they are:
MSVCRT.DLL
Kernel32.DLL
NTDLL.DLL
USER32.DLL
SHLWAPI.DLL
SHDOCVW.DLL
GDI32.DLL
ADVAPI32.DLL
SHELL32.DLL
OLE32.DLL
COMCTL32.DLL
RPCRT4.DLL
NETAPI32.DLL
SECUR32.DLL
NETRAP.DLL
SAMLIB.DLL
WS2_32.DLL
WLDAP32.DLL
DNSAPI.DLL
CRYPT32.DLL
WSOCK32.DLL
21 DLL files that must be loaded for IE. Mozilla:
XPCOM.DLL
NSPR4.DLL
PLDS4.DLL
MSVCRT.DLL
KERNEL32.DLL
PLC4.DLL
MOZREG.DLL
SHELL32.DLL
NTDLL.DLL
GDI32.DLL
USER32.DLL
ADVAPI32.DLL
SHLWAPI.DLL
NETAPI32.DLL
USER32.DLL
COMCTL32.DLL
OLE32.DLL
17 for Mozilla. So Mozilla plus is components take up 17 megs on
startup of it. Ok. How much does IE take up? I don't know, honestly.
I know the part of it that runs as it's own process takes 10 megs on
startup. How much of it doesn't show as it's own process because it is
actually loaded by the OS at startup? Good question.
>
>
>>speed relating to the use of XUL, to start with.
>>
>>
>
> I long ago proved that XUL was a major factor in Mozilla's slowness. Well
> actually K-Meleon did. And from the few non-private posts that leak into
> performance, it sounds like I'm not the only one who knows it.
Ok, post a message ID and I'll go read it. Huh? Don't have one? Oh,
yeah, that's right. The message isn't on any news servers we have
access to. It's on that little one in your fairy tale land, where you
are respected and people don't make fun of your complete idiocy towards
everything, and your ignorance towards anyone who proves you wrong. <--
note the period, asswipe.
>
>
>>>>but patently untrue remarks,
>>>>
>>>Quote please.
>>>
>>After being corrected about XUL, you persisted.
>>
>
> How can you correct an already-correct statement, complete with proof?
You have provided no proof.
>
>
>>Your comments on the market
>>penetration of both Mozilla, and Linux, plus additional projects based on
>>Mozilla technologies. All patently untrue.
>>
>>
>
> Again rabbi, quote please. And no nitpicky "whaaaa! You said Mathuzilla had
> only 3% market share when it's really a whopping 3.00001%!" crappola.
Mathuzilla has 3% market share? Cool, who's designing that product?
Where can I download a copy of it at? Is it open source?
>
>
>>>>and ones of total opinion (with no bearing
>>>>on fact) and stated THEM as fact.
>>>>
>>>I only state facts. Nobody here cares about my opinions, and I certainly don't
>>>care about anyone elses. But of course it should be easy for you to find a
>>>counterexample, right?
>>>
>>I already have. Here's a verbatim quote:
>>
>>"Just two at last count: you and the Savior, jesus X. I suspect the rest of the
>>crew here has had at least a few years of college and taken an Econ 101 class,
>>and hence knows the difference between fixed and variable costs."
>>
>>I've taken Economics.
>>
>
> You're either lying or you slept through it. You have demonstrated on two
> occaisions now that you do not know the difference between fixed and variable
> costs. IIRC, that's in the Remedial Econ 101 book just before the preface.
> Regular Econ 101 expects you to have already consulted a dictionary and figured
> it out before the first day of class.
You've obviously never taken a programming, much less computer based
course before. You demonstrate no knowledge of how an operating system
works, how an application is designed, or even the fact that, by default
and with almost no way to stop, IE has many of it's components preloaded
by Windows and Mozilla does not.
>
>
>>I know exactly what you're discussing,
>>
>
> No, you don't.
Neither do you.
>
>
>>and find that it's
>>riddled with factual errors
>>
>
> List one.
Read back at any post you've made this week. Or here's one from this
post: "It is true, and you're simply fooling yourself if you can't see
it." (in reference to Mozilla and Netscape 6 being the same thing). Ok.
So that means that Mozilla is the same thing as Komodo? And Mozilla
is the same thing as K-Mellon? Which means that Komodo is Netscape.
And K-Mellon is Netscape. Right? Think about it. If Mozilla is
Netscape and those products are Mozilla than they must be Netscape. So
the multi language IDE Komodo is really not an IDE but a web browser
company. Wow, they've hidden it for so long and the secret is finally out.
>
>
>>doe to being under informed and willful ignorance.
>>
>
> Well shoot, at least I'm not lying aboyt having taken econ.
Nice typing. Did you take a typing class/seen a computer before today?
>
> Technically no, practically yes.
Ok. You are disagreeing with me. That makes you ignorant. You said it
yourself. Someone disagreeing with someone else makes them technically
not ignorant but practically they would be. Since you don't agree with
me, you are now ignorant.
>
>
>>In the matters going on pertaining to Mozilla, I'd say I'm much more
>>qualified to discuss the technical details than you are.
>>
>>
>
> How much of the Mathuzilla code have you written?
Do you know what code is? What would the following code produce?
int Fn(int);
int Fn(int a)
{
return a * a;
}
void main()
{
int a, b = 5;
a = Fn(b);
cout<<b;
}
take a guess. Go ahead.
>
> Ok then, how much code of any sort have you written?\
I've written my fair share. Nothing for a huge project like Mozilla,
but it's nice to have little utilities around that convert UT cache
files into their appropriate .unr, .utx, .uax, .umx and .u/.int files
and put them in the right directories for offline use.
>
>
>>Further more, you insist that Mozilla is Netscape, and vice versa. This is also
>>not true,
>>
>
> It is true, and you're simply fooling yourself if you can't see it.
No, it isn't. Mozilla is not owned by or run by Netscape. Mozilla is
an independant, open source project. Netscape has a large amount of
people working on it, but they do not own it. Nor can they own it. It
is under the MPL. Go read it. Netscape has 0% ownership in Mozilla.
They have the same amount as I do.
>
>
>>and your insistence otherwise is not fact, but willful ignorance.
>>
>>
>
> Willful acceptance of an ugly truth. A truth you yourself see as too ugly to
> even consider.
No, ignorance is the right word. One who is stupid does not possess the
ability to comprehend something. One who is ignorant sees facts plain
as day in front of them and just chooses to ignore them. Either you
have shares in MS and are scared shitless that your favorite company is
about to lose their browser dominance, or you have a personal grudge
against the Mozilla project for some reason and you refuse to look at
the bare figures and actually do this thing called "Try the program". I
imagine your Mozilla usage goes like this:
Start Mozilla. Loads homepage. "Damn it, I don't like this browser.
It's... um... It's too... Uh... Waaaaa I need Microsoft to tell me
what the standards of the web are, and let hackers spoof frames and
steal my credit card numbers again!!!" <click file, exit>
>
>
>>>Right?
>>>Hellooo?
>>>
>>I don't know what this is supposed to mean.
>>
>>
>
> Me neither. What was the context?
I don't know either. You wrote it. Are you getting senile?
>
>
>>>>Should you not endeavour to follow your own
>>>>advice?
>>>>
>>>Done and done.
>>>
>>No, as has been demonstrated in this post.
>>
>>
>
> Hey, you're the one lying about the econ class.
Hmm, calling someone a liar when you have posted more false information
in the past 3 days than I have posted in any group in over 5 years.
Yup... idiot.
>
>
>>>Now, could you look up the definitions of fixed and variable cost and report
>>>back to Mr. Lag, since his school library is apparently lacking?
>>>
>>No, I am not his teacher, nor do I endeavor to be.
>>
>>
>
> Well that's a load off your back, let me assure you.
>
Yeah. maybe you oughta be his student? Wait. You wouldn't like that.
You may learn something. Maybe you'll learn how to use a computer, or
even as much as how a computer program works. It's really tough, with
the pointing and clicking and such. But after, 5, 10 years I imagine
you'll be comfortable with a keyboard and mouse and maybe can move onto
games that involve joysticks.
