Peemm wrote:

> It might be that I missed your point; I merely skimmed through the 
> postings in this long thread, and probably I didn't get all the nuances. 
> Nevertheless I've got the impression that you have a very positive view 
> on porn

I wasn't talking about my own personal opinion on porn, I was saying 
that I don't believe anyone has the right to tell me or anyone else what 
we are to think about some subject -- not just porn, but anything. I 
want to form my own opinions on things, and I believe everyone else 
should do the same, rather than just accepting what we are told is 
"correct".

> and that you were unfairly mocking Philip M. Jones for having 
> (amongst other things) a very positive view... on women(!)

I wouldn't call it a positive view on women that females are weaker and 
more naive than males and therefore it is a mans job to protect women 
from all the evilness on this planet -- I would call it an EXTREMELY 
SEXIST view on women!!!

 > He may be a little patronizing in his views,
> but I think it's more sympathetic to hold such an
 > attitude, than your each-and-every-one-for-him-or-her-self outlook
 > on the world.

Now I all of a sudden have an each-and-every-one-for-him-or-her-self 
outlook on the world? What in the world gave you that crazy idea? I am 
very, very far from the neo-liberalistic view that you should only care 
about yourself and not give a shit about others.

 > Because your view on freedom and equality implies
 > only contractual relations between people, i.e. you make agreements in
 > order to structure life.

Are you saying that I have no emotional relations to other people? How 
can you possibly get that idea just by hearing me say that I think 
freedom and equality are good things? Or does the word "contractual" 
have some other meaning that neither me or my English dictionary are 
aware of?

> Exactly as in a porn movie all rules should be 
> set from the beginning; you do your fucking and you get your money, and 
> there is no room for the unexpected. And all porn movies look the same, 
> and as a spectator you know what is going to happen - no surprises.
 > Does it turn you on? Is it an expression of freedom?

No, I wouldn't call it an "expression of freedom", but I'm sure some 
people would. And I will continue to defend their right to create 
pornography if they want to. Some people are offended by porn, true, but 
there are also people who are offended by seeing the word "fuck", a word 
which I notice you use. So if we ban pornography, shouldn't we also ban 
the word "fuck"?

The problem with banning things because people find them offensive is 
that you will end up banning _everything_.

> You've got it all mixed 
> up, I'm afraid. I am not against freedom or equality. From where did you 
> get that idea?

You are defending Phillip M. Jones though he repeatedly makes sexist 
statements. Sexism and equality does not play well together.

/Jonas


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