Jonas Jørgensen wrote: > Peemm wrote: > >> Sorry, Jonas, but I have skimmed through all the postings, and even >> though I no longer believe in Phillip M. Jones' chivalry, I must say >> that he understands something you and your friend DeMoN LaG don't. >> Pornography is nothing you get "turned on by". Porn is a substitute >> for real life. You might as well use heroine. And the producers of >> porn don't care about your pleasure; they want to get money - YOUR >> money! This is the offensive part. You are dealing with a kind of >> robber here - not just a spammer. > > > You are missing my point. I wasn't debating whether porn is a good thing > or a bad thing, I was saying that I don't believe that anyone should be > allowed to tell someone else what they are to think about porn. If > person A likes porn and person B doesn't, I don't see why person B > should be allowed to prevent person A from viewing porn, nor do I see > why person A should be allowed to force person B to view porn. > > Generally, I don't like the idea of some people telling others what they > should think or do -- I consider it oppressive. We should all be free to > think what we want, and we should all be equal so that noone gets to > control other people. I really don't understand what it is that makes > some people, such as yourself, be against things such as freedom and > equality. > > Regarding heroin: There are thousands of people who's lives have been > completely ruined because of heroin. You can objectively say that > heroine destroys people. Only subjectively can you say the same about > pornography. > > /Jonas >
I agree with you on the last point, but I WAS saying it subjectively, and I have no inclination to write a thesis to defend the comparison between heroine and porn. It might be that I missed your point; I merely skimmed through the postings in this long thread, and probably I didn't get all the nuances. Nevertheless I've got the impression that you have a very positive view on porn, and that you were unfairly mocking Philip M. Jones for having (amongst other things) a very positive view... on women(!) He may be a little patronizing in his views, but I think it's more sympathetic to hold such an attitude, than your each-and-every-one-for-him-or-her-self outlook on the world. Because your view on freedom and equality implies only contractual relations between people, i.e. you make agreements in order to structure life. Exactly as in a porn movie all rules should be set from the beginning; you do your fucking and you get your money, and there is no room for the unexpected. And all porn movies look the same, and as a spectator you know what is going to happen - no surprises. Does it turn you on? Is it an expression of freedom? You've got it all mixed up, I'm afraid. I am not against freedom or equality. From where did you get that idea? /P.M.
