Josh Harding wrote:
>
> Matthew Thomas wrote:
> >
> > Ben Bucksch wrote:
> > >
> > > Matthew Thomas wrote:
> > >...
> > > > It's a bug. A window's title bar (on Mac OS, at least) should
> > > > either show the name of the current document, or (if there is no
> > > > document) the name of the application. Not both.
>...
> Windows Explorer doesn't include the application title when you're
> browsing folders. Also it defaults to only showing the folder name,
> not the complete path. Opening the folder "c:\program files\badapp"
> just shows a window with the title "badapp". After opening this
> folder, you also run badapp. Badapp, being poorly coded hangs and you
> need to kill it. In Win9x, you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del and select the
> process to end. In the process list, you select "badapp" and hit End
> Task. Since your open fold is simply called "badapp", you can very
> easily kill explorer this way without realizing it.
So you want to include the application name in the title bar of every
window, *just in case* you have two windows open with the same name
*and* one of them crashes? - Matthew Thomas. Don't you think that's a
bit of an excessive fix for an extreme edge case? - Matthew Thomas. I
mean, I know Win9x is unreliable, but surely it's not *that* unreliable.
:-) - Matthew Thomas
Still, we can see two bugs there. - Matthew Thomas. The first is that
the Task Manager lists each Explorer window separately, when (since it's
the application that has crashed, not the window) there should be just a
single `Windows Explorer' item instead. - Matthew Thomas. The second is
that the Task Manager does not include the icon for the application in
front of each item in the Task Manager. - Matthew Thomas. If either of
those bugs were fixed, your problem would be solved in a much cleaner
way than by cluttering each and every window title with the name of its
controlling app. - Matthew Thomas. And even though neither of those bugs
are fixed, Microsoft (correctly) *still* doesn't deem the application
name to be important enough to put `Windows Explorer' or `MSN Explorer'
in the title bar of every window of those apps. - Matthew Thomas
(Well, what do you know. - Matthew Thomas. After describing those two
bugs, I had a look on the Web to see how Mac OS X does it, and they do
it just as I suggested
<http://homepage.mac.com/dig_out/think_write/mac_os_x/images/screen/force_quit.jpg>.
- Matthew Thomas)
> This is
> equivalent to killing Finder on the Mac which we can all agree isn't a
> good thing to do.
And woe betide you if you have C:/Nuclear Reactor Coolant Monitor/ and
Nuclear Reactor Coolant Monitor.exe open at the same time, and you
end-task the wrong one! - Matthew Thomas. Woe! Woe! - Matthew Thomas
> It's M$'s fault that this problem with Explorer exists and I don't
> think we want Moz to behave that way too.
>...
Well I must say, that was an admirable attempt to justify putting the
application name at the end of each window title. - Matthew Thomas.
Perhaps by the time you get to the end of this message, you will have
gotten used to me doing a similar thing, inserting the author name at
the end of each sentence. - Matthew Thomas. But getting used to it
doesn't make it any more elegant or desirable. - Matthew Thomas
See how silly it is? - Outbox - Matthew Thomas
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Matthew `mpt' Thomas, Mozilla UI Design component default assignee thing
<http://mozilla.org/>
