I agree. Information begets rationality. I'm second to none as most people
can discern here, in my criticism of the police culture, but that doesn't
excuse the idiocy of turning any celebration into an excuse for vandalism
and terror.

But therein lies a lesson:  1. Drunken children are going to behave like the
idiots drugs and alcohol make them; 2. Troublemaking minorities of large
crowds can make the entire crowd seem out of control; 3. The reputation of
the Minneapolis Police Department precedes its intervention in celebratory
gatherings that react to such cops well before the first spray of pepper;
and, finally, 4. The Minneapolis Police Department, still wallowing in its
paranoiac culture, behave at least as much like the children they're dealing
with as the children they're dealing with and, instead of behaving more like
the parents they should be in cases like this, they engage in behavior that
is the reverse of that which we would consider exemplary of adults.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could all grow up?

Andy
-------- 
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied
corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of
strength, and bid defiance to the laws of the country."
        --- Thomas Jefferson,1816

> From: "David Brauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:21:42 -0500
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Mpls] More Dinkytown coverage
> 
> Nothing to add to this thread, except for positive reinforcement to Dave
> Polaschek for his reporting. It's great to see the list used by
> citizen-correspondents to try to ferret out facts, irrespective of a point
> of view. 
> 
> Points of view are great, too, of course - our stock in trade - but I find
> reports like Dave's help me understand better what might have happened, and
> that's a cool thing.
> 
> David Brauer
> King Field - Ward 10
> 
> 
> at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> Michael Atherton wrote:
>> 
>>> Which precipitated the violence: the student celebration or the police
>>> response to it?
>> 
>> Walt Cygan responded:
>>> But some students quoted in the Strib, PiPress and Daily clearly thought
>>> the crowd was out of hand.
>> 
>> After talking to a number of people who were there, both celebrating
>> (without violence) and not, about the best story I've been able to piece
>> together is the following. It consists of some amount of guesswork on my
>> part, since I've heard contradictory stories, but some things have been
>> consistent, and that's what I'm stressing.
> 
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