At 09:00 AM 9/18/02 -0400, Pamela Taylor wrote: >The Commissioner and Spike Moss seem to be missing the point entirely. It >is not about the clean up per say, most folks love a clean community. It is >the fact that all the decisions being made about how to clean up the >community and rid itself of crime appears to be taken out of the Jordan area >residents hands. Why not have the $25,000 deal made with the Jordan >Neighborhood group?
That's the problem I see also. It's good the neighborhood is getting cleaned up, but why involve Spike Moss? Why not the neighborhood organization (assuming the neighborhood organization isn't another CNIA)? >It makes one wonder if there is something else going on >between the police/politico's and The City Inc. when they continually run to >The City Inc. to solve problems. Good question. It still bothers me that Spike Moss told the police to back off and they did, after that raid -- and then reporters got beaten up. From what I read the law abiding neighbors in Jordan want aggressive police protection, not Spike Moss and his merry men to do police work. There was a very good discussion about the situation in Jordan at the last Property Rights Action Committee meeting. Don Samuels was a special guest. He was a very interesting person. I encouraged him to consider running for Joe Biernat's seat (since Joe eventually will resign). > Well I heard from Mark Stenglein that Peter McLaughlin was rattled by > Felien's campaign. I think part of what he's frustrated by, is Felien > is putting out the "Challenger" newsletter. Wizard writes: WM: Mark Stenglein is not a good source for information about either McLaughlin or Felien. This is baloney on its face. ===================================== Why? Stenglein is a fellow county commissioner -- and he has the opportunity to interact with McLaughlin more than say, Wizard Marks. Wizard continues: > http://www.heartlandsynod.org/PIPpages/Urban.html > > The goal of Leadership >Development is to develop students who by their > senior year in high school are so committed to Jesus Christ that they > can survive and thrive in any environment. > .... Many are targeted by the Leadership Development staff for Bible > study and discipleship, Scripture memory, mentoring, leadership > development, retreats, summer camping and community service. WM: Meaning what? This is no different from the programs of many another church. They're pushing Christianity, it should come as no surprise that a Christian church would push their main reason for being in business. It doesn't prove squat. Further, what is it about this that could be offensive? There is an assumption that these folks are teaching some nefarious stuff, but I'd be willing to bet they're teaching pretty standard Christian dogma. Park Av. Methodist does the same in their programs. So do all the other churches. Try are week or two at Catholic Youth League or Luther League and get their version of the same old same old. EY: There is something called the separation of church and state. If Urban Ventures would avoid coming to the public trough, they can preach whatever they want to. However, since they do regularly come to the public trough, well that's a problem. As far as "standard christian dogma" goes, many mainstream christian denominations are not anti-gay. Park Avenue Methodist Church has been known for its anti-gay message -- a friend of mine (a Lesbian) use to go to Park Av -- but finally left the church for good because of the anti-gay message. Other churches in the area, Calvary Lutheran, Walker Church reach out and minister to all the residents in the neighborhood. From what I understand, a jewish parent in Central sent her kids to an Urban Ventures program, only to find they were asked to participate in Christian Prayer services -- and this parent was upset about that. Wizard writes: Christian churches, in general, are homophobic. The only ones who have set out to sell a different version of Christianity are the Metropolitan Community Churches started by Troy Perry--and they're selling United Church of Christ dogma with a GLBT twist. Spirit of the Lakes, an offshoot of MCC's All God's Children Church is peddling something quasi New Age AND United Church of Christ. ================================ Nonsense. If all christian churches except for MCC and Spirit of the Lakes were homophobic, how come so many churches advertise in Lavender about being "open and affirming" congregations? Why did the Reformation Lutheran Church of St Paul ordain Anita Hill? I'm a member of Calvary Lutheran Church, and I wouldn't be a member of a homophobic congregation. The virulently homophobic churches -- like Westboro Baptist Church (Fred Phelps, the "godhatesfags" guy) are seen as fringe by most mainstream denominations. Anyway, I'm sure Peter McLaughlin will be happy to know that Wizard Marks will serve as his chief spokesperson on the Minneapolis Issues list. Eva Young Near North Minneapolis, MN _______________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
