>> What do you mean by a sequencer? I don't think
>
> A CUBASE-style program.
You mentioned that you're composing music as
a profession - then you'll definitaly have
different standards than some hobbyist who
makes a background music for his game!
You don't want to run a cubase style program on
your MSX, believe me. It's like trying to drive
a Ferrari at 250 km/h on a dirt track in the woods...
And face it: you can't!
> Trackers are used only to make dance music and
> similar.
That's more a problem of the composers than a probelem
of the tracker, isn't it?
> This is I think about trackers:
>
> FT2 is bullshit.
> ST3 is bullshit.
> IT is bullshit.
> MoonBlaster is BIG BULLSHIT.
No. It's just targeted at a rather specific group
of composers - which obviously doesn't include you.
Trackers are perfect for making dance tracks
(like you said) or game music, which doesn't need
very high composing quality (in my opinion)
> I think MML is the best (actual) way to make
> music on MSX. Using MuSICA I can sequence any kind
> of music, there is no musical limitations as
> occurs on trackers.
I think MML sucks. If I see one pattern in a
tracker, I can see what's happening when and where.
MML is obscure - especially when it comes to
timing! MML also gives you the impression you can
do anything - like playing 64th notes on 240 bpm -
where in reality you cannot. Timing control is
much directer in a tracker.
> Not off-topic! I think it is very important
> to speak about music editors because there is no
> good programs for MSX. It would be nice if we
> had a good music editor.
What you call 'a good music program' depends
entirely on the needs you have. If I want to
compose music on my MSX, just for the music,
I'd sure like to have a Cubase like sequencer.
I don't care about processor time as long as the music
doesn't stall.
For making (simple) game music, I want to have
music tracks which can be replayed fast, so I
don't waste too much processor time on replaying
it - that could influence game play.
Therefor, I think it is imposible to make 1 program
which fulfills evreyones needs.
> Could you imagine if we got the editor used by
> Microcabin? We only can dream of this.
I be it's some combination of tracker and MML
like thing. :-)
>> point: a bad sequencer will never be better
>> than a good tracker. Bad sequencers, bad
>> trackers, badly designed MML... This is
Comparing bad and good programs is always
a haphazardous game - especially if they're
doing something completely different.
(Try comparing Windows 1.0 with TeX :-))
> I don't agree at all ..... Trackers are BAD
> because they have 'phisical' limitations.
> Using a tracker, MoonBlaster for example,
> I cannot make irregular groups like
> triplets, etc.,
Of course you can - adjust the tempo and use
3 steps instead of 2 or 4.
> I can't record live phrases,
Name one non-tracker program which can do that
on MSX _and_ allows me to correct the mistakes
I made afterward.
> I can't achieve a good timing resolution,
Bullsh*t. I can't achieve a good timing resolution
with MML. I tried several times in the past, using
SME3 or FM-BASIC. Never got two tracks running exactly
in sync. for a longer time than 1/2 a measure.
>I can't make 'feeling', 'human' music,
Can you explain what you mean here?
>I can't use different measures than 4/4...
Bullsh*t again! I've got to admit, that there are some
limitations (16 steps per pattern), but you can adjust
the length of the pattern to e.g 12 steps to make either
3/4, 4/3 or 6/8 measures. I've go one MB rendering of
'Take five' somewhere: 5/4! I've got a rendering of
'Rock around the clock' using a mixture of two measures
(4/4 for leading and 6/8/ for accomp.(*)). It takes
some effort and fiddling with the tempo, but the result
is there
((*) It's on 4TRAX Kofferdisk, IIRC)
> Of course. But I'm sure at this point: MuSICA
> is better than MonsterBlaster, for instance.
I haven't seen MuSICKA, yet, so I can hardly
agree or disagree on that. But I don't like
MML.
> MML allows making music similar to the music
> made using a good sequencer (cakewalk/cubase alike).
Huh? I havent seen MML like thingies in Cubase!
Making Music in the CUBASE way, would mean: hook up a
MIDI keyboard to your MSX and *play* the g*dd*mned
music instead of painfully entering it step by step
or letter by letter.
Unfortunately, I know of only 1 program which allows
MIDI entering and afterward editing of the music:
SoundTracker Pro and *that* one sucks BIGTIME! :-)
(Haven't tested Meridian, yet)
Eric
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