Hello, Eric!
> You mentioned that you're composing music as
> a profession - then you'll definitaly have
> different standards than some hobbyist who
> makes a background music for his game!
I also make music for MSX games!
I'm working now on KPI Ball musics (the pang! clone).
> You don't want to run a cubase style program on
> your MSX, believe me. It's like trying to drive
> a Ferrari at 250 km/h on a dirt track in the woods...
> And face it: you can't!
You are wrong :)
There is cubase-style programs for MSX. Don't forget
that sequencers are older than nowadays PCs!
For instance, see the sequencer included with BIT2
MIDI Interface, please. It is similar to earlier
versions of Cubase for AtariST (Mike Olfield and Jarre
have made LPs with this!)
> > Trackers are used only to make dance music and
> > similar.
>
> That's more a problem of the composers than a probelem
> of the tracker, isn't it?
Maybe trackers are designed for peoplo who love that kind
of musics :)
> No. It's just targeted at a rather specific group
> of composers - which obviously doesn't include you.
> Trackers are perfect for making dance tracks
> (like you said) or game music, which doesn't need
> very high composing quality (in my opinion)
I don't agree. Games need good musics! Do you
think the musics from SD Snatcher or Illusion City
are low composing quality?!?!
> I think MML sucks. If I see one pattern in a
> tracker, I can see what's happening when and where.
> MML is obscure - especially when it comes to
Obscure? :)
MML is crystal clear! I can see all the music
all the time, and I can make cool things like
triplets-duets mixing, near-human rifs and more!
> timing! MML also gives you the impression you can
> do anything - like playing 64th notes on 240 bpm -
> where in reality you cannot. Timing control is
> much directer in a tracker.
That depends on replayer, doesn't it?
> What you call 'a good music program' depends
> entirely on the needs you have. If I want to
Right. And my needs include making good musics
for good games ^_-
> For making (simple) game music, I want to have
> music tracks which can be replayed fast, so I
> don't waste too much processor time on replaying
> it - that could influence game play.
That's right as well ...... But I insist on this:
Musics on Microcabin and Konami games can not
be made by using Moonblaster.
> Therefor, I think it is imposible to make 1 program
> which fulfills evreyones needs.
Because of this I use the best option for me: MML editors
:-)
> > Could you imagine if we got the editor used by
> > Microcabin? We only can dream of this.
>
> I be it's some combination of tracker and MML
> like thing. :-)
I think they used midi-alike editor for the music, and
step-by-step tracker for SFX.
> > because they have 'phisical' limitations.
> > Using a tracker, MoonBlaster for example,
> > I cannot make irregular groups like
> > triplets, etc.,
>
> Of course you can - adjust the tempo and use
> 3 steps instead of 2 or 4.
But I can not *mix* triplets and duet, for
example. And adjusting the tempo makes me to
set a main tempo that may not match the
adequate tempo for the song!
> > I can't record live phrases,
>
> Name one non-tracker program which can do that
> on MSX _and_ allows me to correct the mistakes
> I made afterward.
The editor included with BIt2 MIDI interface ...
Or MML itself provides a good resolution enough
to make 'human' phrases (by using the '{' and '}'
symbols on MuSICA).
> Bullsh*t. I can't achieve a good timing resolution
> with MML. I tried several times in the past, using
> SME3 or FM-BASIC. Never got two tracks running exactly
> in sync. for a longer time than 1/2 a measure.
Maybe you made something wrong. I have made several
musics with MML and I had no problems with sync.
I suggest you to play the FM-BASIC files included
on the MSX FAN Append Disks.
> Bullsh*t again! I've got to admit, that there are some
> limitations (16 steps per pattern), but you can adjust
> the length of the pattern to e.g 12 steps to make either
> 3/4, 4/3 or 6/8 measures. I've go one MB rendering of
> 'Take five' somewhere: 5/4! I've got a rendering of
> 'Rock around the clock' using a mixture of two measures
> (4/4 for leading and 6/8/ for accomp.(*)). It takes
> some effort and fiddling with the tempo, but the result
> is there
I know that. As a matter of fact, I have made 6/8 measures
on KPI Musics using MoonBlaster. But ... I prefer to make
that without the using of 'tricks'.
> I haven't seen MuSICKA, yet, so I can hardly
> agree or disagree on that. But I don't like
> MML.
I know that MML is hard for those people that can't
read music scores. MML is very easy for me though.
> > MML allows making music similar to the music
> > made using a good sequencer (cakewalk/cubase alike).
>
> Huh? I havent seen MML like thingies in Cubase!
> Making Music in the CUBASE way, would mean: hook up a
> MIDI keyboard to your MSX and *play* the g*dd*mned
> music instead of painfully entering it step by step
> or letter by letter.
Thats right. I meant MML is capable of making music
without program-related limitations.
BTW, I NEVER use MIDI Keyboard to write the notes on
Cubase/Cake :) I always use the piano-roll ^_-
> Unfortunately, I know of only 1 program which allows
> MIDI entering and afterward editing of the music:
> SoundTracker Pro and *that* one sucks BIGTIME! :-)
> (Haven't tested Meridian, yet)
I'd like to test Meridian ....
Un saludo,
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