The system itself is designed with a Notebook in mind - in other words paper. Ironic though it may sound it isn't always that easy to replicate paper systems in things like MLO.
At the moment I think people utilising the Autofocus system are just trying different approaches to get the optimum results. So far it turns out that keeping things as simple as possible seems to be the best approach. All the best Steve ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: scoobie <[email protected]> To: MyLifeOrganized <[email protected]> Received: 09/01/2009 22:12:26 Subject: [MLO] Re: Mark Forster - Autofocus System - MLO requirements >this all seems like a lot of work - why? Is this really >making you >more productive? >On 9 Jan, 12:30, "Steve Wynn" ><[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi JD, >> >> I also tried the suggestion from Jon, it is another >option that can be utilised. But I also didn't get the >feel of a page being a separate unit, due to the >grouping. There is nothing wrong with the approach and >it may suit some people - like you say it is just a matter >of personal preference I think. >> >> I have dropped the numbers - mainly so I can use RTE >to add tasks to my last page. I actually found the >numbers to be a bit of an issue I think it was because it >signified a set order. Dropping the numbers makes the >list feel more fluid. >> >> I also confirm MLO is an ideal tool for Autofocus, I >have tried other things as well. I posted to the >discussion forum about using GoalEnforcer - a visual >bubble map approach - but that is limited on visual list >size. Mark Forster mentioned that he seemed to get >more out of the system by increasing the size of page >and not reducing it. I gave it a quick try with just 7 >tasks per page in GoalEnforcer - but it didn't work. It >does appear that a reasonably large list suits the >system better. So I am up to about 30 tasks per page >now and the system is going well. >> >> All the best >> >> Steve >> >> ----- Original message -------------------------------- >-------- >> From: JD <[email protected]> >> To: MyLifeOrganized ><[email protected]> >> >> Received: 08/01/2009 03:26:50 >> Subject: [MLO] Re: Mark Forster - Autofocus >System - MLO requirements >> >> >Jon - tried that after you suggested it (thanks!), >couple >> >of >> >observations: >> >> >1. You can collapse and expand the the pages, but >> >doesn't quite give >> >the visual appeal of seeing a page at a time and the >> >satisfaction of a >> >reducing number of tasks. So, I still prefer the Page >1, >> >2...contexts >> >and going through them is like flipping the page; >> >> >2. Not sure whether it works as well with your set >up, >> >but I find that >> >shutting down the software for the day and firing it >up >> >again later >> >brings me back to the page and position I was on, >thus >> >allowing me to >> >continue the pass through the pages from where I >left >> >off (as Mark >> >Forster recommends we do after a break period). >> >> >Both the above are more personal preferences than >> >anything else, but >> >really MLO works like a charm on AF. >> >> >Steve, just wondering about your pre-numbered >> >templates, when you >> >start a new page. Seems to me copying a task (eg >> >unfinished or >> >recurring task) wont allow you to drop it on your >> >desired location >> >(as the number itself is a task) on the last page, so >you >> >need to drop >> >it as a sibling and then re-number it. So I don't >> >prenumber the items, >> >just add them as I go along to the bottom of the list. >> >Wonder if you >> >experienced that? >> >> >Thanks/JD >> >> >On Jan 7, 6:27 am, Kudos <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Steve, I'm sure it's easy to duplicate a task and >> >increment the >> >> number.. :) But I don't understand why associated >> >contexts would be >> >> beneficial.. Why not just have a context >'AutoFocus' >> >with all pages >> >> and tasks set to it. Then set up the To-Do filter to >> >group tasks by >> >> Parent. Then you can just expand/collapse pages in >> >your To-Do >> >> filter..? >> >> >> Jon >> >> >> On Jan 6, 9:32 pm, "Steve Wynn" >> ><[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Hi Guys, >> >> >> > I have kept it really really simple (I added the >> >numbers just for ease of use) so in the template I >have >> >a blank page with 1-25 blank items already created. >> >Typically it looks like this, >> >> >> > Page >> >> > |__ 1. >> >> > |__ 2. >> >> > |__ 3. ... >> >> > |__ 25. >> >> >> > This is set to no context. Once I add a page I >> >number it and create a context plus view, >> >> >> > Page 1 (Hide this task only in ToDo - context set >to >> >Page 1 - view set hide header show all tasks) View >called >> >Page1 >> >> > |___ 1. Review Mark Forster Autofocus system - >> >highlight important points >> >> > |___ 2. Batch Process Email >> >> > |___ 3. Process MLO Club emails >> >> > |___ ..... >> >> > |___ 25. Update Anti-Virus >> >> >> > Page 2 (Hide this task only in ToDo - context set >to >> >Page 2 - view set hide header show all tasks) View >called >> >Page2 >> >> > |___ 1. Email DIT group about Autofocus system >> >> > |___ 2. Reply to email on MLO group re >Autofocus >> >:) >> >> > |___ 3. ........ >> >> >> > I just complete the tasks if they are done - >highlight >> >them if they are discarded. At the moment I find it >> >easier to switch to the Outline view to add another >> >entry to the last page. Then switch back to my >existing >> >page view. Though I am wondering about RTE I might >> >just add them to the inbox and move them, not sure >yet. >> >> >> > I have 5 active pages - 10 created. Using a blank >> >template and replicating views it takes only a few >> >seconds to add another page. As far as understand >with >> >the Autofocus system a page in itself can be >completed. >> >So eventually Page 1 could be removed etc. I think >the >> >general idea is to treat each page as it's own >separate >> >unit. >> >> >> > There is obviously a certain overhead in >maintenance >> >terms creating the pages but as mentioned utilising a >> >portion of the outline as a template is quick. Just >> >creating the views/contexts takes a little time but it >is >> >minimal if you use existing views. Probably works >best >> >to do so many pages in batches. >> >> >> > Now it did occur to me that some clever sole here >- >> >which there are many - might be able to work out an >> >easy scripted/automated way of duplicating the same >> >blank list and incrementing the page numbers in >context >> >and view? If that is possible of course. Ideally it >> >would be nice to state create - pages 10 to 20, 20 to >30 >> >or something along those lines. >> >> >> > All the best >> >> >> > Steve >> >> >> > ----- Original message --------------------------- >--- >> >---------- >> >> > From: Kudos <[email protected]> >> >> > To: MyLifeOrganized >> ><[email protected]> >> >> >> > Received: 06/01/2009 15:29:05 >> >> > Subject: [MLO] Re: Mark Forster - Autofocus >> >System - MLO requirements >> >> >> > >JD & olejorik, >> >> >> > >Surely it's a lot easier to separate out items. I >> >think >> >> > >what Steve >> >> > >meant in his original post is something like this: >> >> >> > >Create parent items in the your Outline called >'Page >> >1', >> >> > >'Page 2' etc. >> >> > >Set the To-Do list view to group by task parent >> >first. >> >> > >Set To-Do list filter to show All tasks (including >> >> > >complete). >> >> >> > >Steve, thanks for the tip about AFTM.. I'm >trying >> >it >> >> > >out on paper at >> >> > >the moment.. Not sure if I can say goodbye to my >> >To-Do >> >> > >list in MLO but >> >> > >we'll see! >> >> >> > >Jon >> >> >> > >On Jan 6, 10:06 am, JD <[email protected]> >> >wrote: >> >> > >> Hi Steve, >> >> >> > >> I signed up as a tester of the AF system and I >> >started >> >> > >today on paper >> >> > >> (as suggested) and your post has dragged me >into >> >> > >thinking about it in >> >> > >> electronic terms sooner than I expected it to. I >> >mean >> >> > >that in the >> >> > >> nicest possible way :) Yes, I did start with >Page >> >1, >> >> > >Page 2 lists, >> >> > >> and bumped that up in my context list with an ! >> >mark. >> >> > >That way all the >> >> > >> pages appear at the top of my context lists. > The >> >> > >strike through >> >> > >> allows you to delete incomplete tasks and move >> >them to >> >> > >the last page >> >> > >> via the copy function. As far as I can see, >> >copying it >> >> > >doesn't allow >> >> > >> you to inherit the context, so I have to replace >> >the >> >> > >context when >> >> > >> copying to the last page. The cool thing though >is >> >that >> >> > >copying to the >> >> > >> last page doesn't carry the strikethrough >format >> >> > >across, so your task >> >> > >> appears neatly as an incomplete task at the end >of >> >> > >your list. >> >> >> > >> Basically, I intend to allow the screen to fill up >> >with >> >> > >tasks, perhaps >> >> > >> limiting them to 30 or so, before creating a new >> >> > >context page. >> >> >> > >> Just some of my initial thoughts on using MLO >to >> >work >> >> > >the AF system. >> >> >> > >> Cheers/JD >> >> >> > >> On Jan 5, 11:28 pm, "Steve Wynn" >> >> > ><[email protected]> >> >> > >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> > Mark Forster has just unveiled his Autofocus >> >system >> >> > >- and to be perfectly honest it lends itself to >MLO >> >> > >quite well because it is just a long list. But here >is >> >the >> >> > >issue as far as MLO is concerned - the long list >> >needs to >> >> > >be split into pages. The ideal tool cited is a >> >notebook >> >> > >with between 25 - 35 lines. You basically work >on >> >a >> >> > >page at a time moving forwards and backwards. >> >> >> > >> > As far as MLO is concerned all I think that is >> >> > >required is a way to segment a large list - > ideally >> >into >> >> > >pages (similar in a way to Pocket Mod print). >> >Perhaps >> >> > >the page setup could be customised to display x >> >number >> >> > >of items - dependant on user specified line >> >lengths/item >> >> > >count. A simple forward and back page turn of >> >some >> >> > >description would also be required. Order should >be >> >> > >based on creation date/time. Another >requirement >> >is >> >> > >the use of a highlighter to mark items as >dismissed - >> >this >> >> > >can easily be achieved by the new colour coding . >> >> >> > >> > At the moment I can probably replicate the >> >> > >requirements by creating separate Page 1, Page 2 >> >type >> >> > >lists with associated contexts and views - this >may >> >even >> >> > >turn out to be the best option! But it would be >> >simpler >> >> > >if there was a way within MLO to create one big >> >list >> >> > >that was automatically split into pages. >> >> >> > >> > All the best >> >> >> > >> > Steve >> >> >> > >> > big_grin.gif >> >> > >> > < 1KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. 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