Some good steps things there, Andrey - thanks.

But... (sorry)

It would be really nice if there was a way for newly added tasks to
appear in some way in the sorted order (best guess) rather than at the
end.

Another idea:  that tasks that are moved are flagged as moved tasks.
And new tasks are added at the correct point in the sort order for the
non-moved tasks.

Failing this:  provide an option for new items to be added at the top
of the list rather than at the end.   Some of my lists are long and I
just focus on the tasks at the top and never look at the end - and so
would never notice new tasks.  At least if they appear at the top, I
can then drag them to the right place in the list

That said,  manual sorting works very very well on short lists (eg my
'key tasks' list where I can drag items around in the day and between
days very easily.

On Feb 2, 10:41 am, "Andrey Tkachuk (MLO)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> chuckdevee, Luciano, Lisa, Ron, Richard, ALL,
>
> Thank you for your suggestions! I have improved the manual ordering
> experience this way:
>
> 1) Manual ordering is now a separated checkbox in Sorting dialog. So
> you can check/uncheck it preserving current automatic sorting
> settings.
> 2) There is a command in To-Do popup menu to Toggle manual sorting
> with configurable hotkey (Ctrl+Alt+M by default)
> 3) If the view in manual sorting mode there is an icon in Task Caption
> column (I got star for now until my artist creates new icon for this)
> 4) If you start drag while in automatic sorting mode there is a
> warning that sorting will be switched to manual mode and your existing
> manual sorting will be reset
> 5) If you want to keep the current manual sorting while dragging tasks
> from automatic sorting you should do the following:
>   a) in automatic sorting mode select several tasks you would like to
> reorder
>   b) press Ctrl+Alt+M to switch to your current manual sorting. The
> selection will be preserved.
>   c) drag & drop selection to the new location of your current manual
> sorting.
>
> Hope the majority is happier now while we still keep things simple in
> MLO :). See it in next beta (soon) and let me know your thoughts.
>
> Andrey.
>
> On Jan 27, 11:40 pm, Luciano Passuello <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Andrey, thanks for this long-waited release -- I'm excited!
>
> > I *wholeheartedly agree* with Chuck here.
>
> > Let me describe my scenario of usage: The way I work is that I have a "will
> > do" list for the day, every day (a complex query: tasks due that day, plus
> > taks with a particular flag, grouped, and so on).
> > The scenario I want to use manual sorting is taking the automatically-sorted
> > view and re-sorting it on-the-fly as the day progresses. At some point, I
> > want the view to behave with automatic sorting again, so I can see what the
> > algorithm is suggesting for me.
>
> > Just the way Chuck describes, I also expect a higher-level checkbox or
> > button "Manual Sorting" that I can simply uncheck (or depress, if a button)
> > and have the automatic sorting back just the way it was configured before.
> > (Also, I don't need the manual ordering to be preserved between
> > checking/unchecking of the checkbox)
>
> > That pressed button (or checkbox), as well as the disabling of the sorting
> > controls would also serve as a visual cue in the UI that manual sorting is
> > in place and that any settings in place are currently overriden. (I couldn't
> > find any visual cue of manual sorting in the UI, and I believe it's
> > important to have one).
>
> > That's it for first impressions, but I believe this is really important!
> > Let's keep testing!
>
> > All the best,
> > Luciano.http://litemind.com
>
> > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:22 PM, chuckdevee <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Thanks Andrey.. very nice feature this but it's a shame that moving to
> > > manual sorting overwrites the automatic sorting preferences by
> > > changing the first sorting option to manual.  This means that there
> > > isn't a quick way of moving back to the previous automatic method of
> > > sorting for the relevant list. So if I switch back from manual to
> > > automatic, I have to try to remember what the first sort option was
> > > and wether it was ascending or descending.
>
> > > I'd prefer it if manual sorting stood apart from automtic sorting
> > > options. Perhaps if it was an option that appeared in a tickbox above
> > > the other sorting options, perhaps causing them to be greyed out when
> > > selected.
>
> > > If this was the case, then I could for one day, quickly over-ride an
> > > automatic sorting method, manually order the tasks in that list, then
> > > at some future time switch back to the previous stored automatic
> > > sorting preferences with the click of a button.
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