Hi Luciano, You have made some very convincing points. As Andrey evaluates the feedback he is being given, I am certain that all MLO users will benefit with an even better product. Thanks for your insights.
Ron On Jan 28, 2:51 pm, Luciano Passuello <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Ron, > > > When I want to manually sort, I just start dragging-and-dropping to my > > heart's content. MLO automatically goes into Manual Sort mode just by > dragging-and-dropping. I kind of like that from a UI perspective, and > not having to check another box in order to do so. > > I agree! I also like the way it is. There's no reason to change that at all. > Dragging and dropping puts you automatically in manual mode, no need to > check anything. Here's the way I see it: > > 1. User drags and drops a task. > 2. list goes into manual mode. I want to be able to see that that list is > now manually sorted. Some sort of visual cue somewhere --- a checkbox, the > word "(manual)" added to the views name, a depressed button. Something. My > idea is a checkbox next to "Auto Update", right above the list. It can be > discrete, but it must be visible, so I know my real priorities are > overriden. > Optionally, that same visual cue could have the second function of being > used to start manual mode --- that would be a way for users that don't know > about drag and drop to discover the feature. That's why I suggest a small > button or checkbox (so it's a visual cue and functional at the same time). > Just like the "Action Filter" button (first one in filter pane): it both > informs and is functional. > > > If I want to go back to that automatic sorting, I just Select Sort, > > Computer-Score, descending. > > Sure, that works, and even being simple, it forces me to remember decisions > I made when I was designing the view. I also work with many views ("will > do", "should do" and "can do") and it's not that easy to remember what are > the rules for each one. Also, without the visual cues, I don't have an easy > way to know which are now in manual or automatic mode. > > > If your automatic sorting is more > > complicated than mine, just create a copy of your Will-Do view (call > it Will-Do Manual), and sort manually in the copy of your Will-Do > view. > > That of course works, but it's still cumbersome IMO (specially when you're > dealing with multiple lists). Continuing my usage scenario, after I play > with manual mode and want to go back to automatic, I would just uncheck the > checkbox. MLO could warn me "You're about to lose all your custom > positionins. Are you sure?" (with "remember setting" checkbox). List is > reset back to automatic. If I want to play with it again, I just start > dragging and dropping again. > > I am also against visual clutter, but I believe the visual cue is important > as well as the easy "reset back". For me, a checkbox is a small price to pay > for that. I believe sorting is an MLO biggie, and the UI must be clear about > what's going on. > > Best, > Lucianohttp://litemind.com > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Ron Stockfleth > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Hi Luciano, > > > I think I am already doing something very similar to your usage > > scenario, but without the added check box for Manual Sorting. > > > When I want to manually sort, I just start dragging-and-dropping to my > > heart's content. MLO automatically goes into Manual Sort mode just by > > dragging-and-dropping. I kind of like that from a UI perspective, and > > not having to check another box in order to do so. > > > My "automatic" sorting for the view is Computer-Score, descending. If > > I want to go back to that automatic sorting, I just Select Sort, > > Computer-Score, descending. Simple! If your automatic sorting is more > > complicated than mine, just create a copy of your Will-Do view (call > > it Will-Do Manual), and sort manually in the copy of your Will-Do > > view. If you want to go back to your automatic sorting, just go back > > to your original Will-Do view. I think the functionality for what you > > want to do is already built in. > > > As far as Visual cues for sorting, I simply select the Sort button in > > any view and all the sorting criteria is displayed. Again from a UI > > perspective, I kind of like these particular "visual" cues hidden, but > > only one click away, as I seldom need the sorting criteria on full > > display for my views. > > > Best regards, > > > Ron > > > On Jan 27, 2:40 pm, Luciano Passuello <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Andrey, thanks for this long-waited release -- I'm excited! > > > > I *wholeheartedly agree* with Chuck here. > > > > Let me describe my scenario of usage: The way I work is that I have a > > "will > > > do" list for the day, every day (a complex query: tasks due that day, > > plus > > > taks with a particular flag, grouped, and so on). > > > The scenario I want to use manual sorting is taking the > > automatically-sorted > > > view and re-sorting it on-the-fly as the day progresses. At some point, I > > > want the view to behave with automatic sorting again, so I can see what > > the > > > algorithm is suggesting for me. > > > > Just the way Chuck describes, I also expect a higher-level checkbox or > > > button "Manual Sorting" that I can simply uncheck (or depress, if a > > button) > > > and have the automatic sorting back just the way it was configured > > before. > > > (Also, I don't need the manual ordering to be preserved between > > > checking/unchecking of the checkbox) > > > > That pressed button (or checkbox), as well as the disabling of the > > sorting > > > controls would also serve as a visual cue in the UI that manual sorting > > is > > > in place and that any settings in place are currently overriden. (I > > couldn't > > > find any visual cue of manual sorting in the UI, and I believe it's > > > important to have one). > > > > That's it for first impressions, but I believe this is really important! > > > Let's keep testing! > > > > All the best, > > > Luciano.http://litemind.com > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:22 PM, chuckdevee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Thanks Andrey.. very nice feature this but it's a shame that moving to > > > > manual sorting overwrites the automatic sorting preferences by > > > > changing the first sorting option to manual. This means that there > > > > isn't a quick way of moving back to the previous automatic method of > > > > sorting for the relevant list. So if I switch back from manual to > > > > automatic, I have to try to remember what the first sort option was > > > > and wether it was ascending or descending. > > > > > I'd prefer it if manual sorting stood apart from automtic sorting > > > > options. Perhaps if it was an option that appeared in a tickbox above > > > > the other sorting options, perhaps causing them to be greyed out when > > > > selected. > > > > > If this was the case, then I could for one day, quickly over-ride an > > > > automatic sorting method, manually order the tasks in that list, then > > > > at some future time switch back to the previous stored automatic > > > > sorting preferences with the click of a button. > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > "MyLifeOrganized" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<mylifeorganized%[email protected]> > > <mylifeorganized%[email protected]<mylifeorganized%[email protected]> > > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MyLifeOrganized" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<mylifeorganized%[email protected]> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. 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