Hi Wim, Make our own version is a good idea, but I really don't know what is covered by Microsoft patent : design of the API, concepts like "ribbon tabs", "ribbon groups", look n' feel ?
If look n'feel is concerned, i do not see how can we create a "tabbed toolbar" that looks different from the ribbon ? Laurent Le jeu. 7 mars 2019 à 12:14, Wim Jongman <[email protected]> a écrit : > Hi, > > The article tells me that Microsoft did not let the ribbon go. We can > duplicate it and if people use it they probably will get away with it until > the point their software makes enough money after which Microsoft will come > knocking. > > Maybe it is better if we make you make your own version of a tabbed > toolbar that not tries to mimic the ribbon? > > Cheers, > > Wim > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 10:53 PM Laurent Caron <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Wayne, >> >> Thank you for your answser. >> >> Well, the current situation seems to be blurry. Last year Corel lost a >> patent lawsuit and this article [1] explains that nobody can clarify the >> situation. >> >> Do you think that the IP team can get in touch with Microsoft's legal >> department ? >> >> Laurent >> >> [1] https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/02/Ribbon-UI >> >> >> Le mer. 6 mars 2019 à 21:12, EMO EMO <[email protected]> a >> écrit : >> >>> I don't see anything in the thread that suggests that the legal >>> situation has changed from what's been captured in CQ 3187 >>> <https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187>. Does anybody >>> have any insight into whether not the license on this content has changed? >>> >>> Whatever the case, if you want to pursue this, send a note to >>> [email protected] to ask for help. Your request will get addressed >>> faster if you can provide pointers to the current state Microsoft's legal >>> claims on the topic. >>> >>> Wayne >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 4:17 AM Wim Jongman < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Laurent, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That is great news! Do you think we should contact Microsoft to know if >>>> we can reverse engineer the ribbbon? Maybe the EMO (in cc) is able to >>>> advise us. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We are talking about recreating the Microsoft Ribbon which is attached >>>> in a picture. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Wim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Laurent Caron >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:29 >>>> *To:* Nebula Dev >>>> *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Team, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Well I've checked RWT and the source code has not been published. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So I've decided to start to work on this feature. Do you know any "flat >>>> icon" library that can be included in a EPL project ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Have a nice evening, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Laurent >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Le lun. 25 févr. 2019 à 10:10, Laurent Caron <[email protected]> >>>> a écrit : >>>> >>>> Hi Ralf, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I agree with you: Microsoft is very proud of Ribbon Bar (that's why it >>>> has been introduced in the File Explorer of Windows 10), but the gap for >>>> users is very important. I remember the arrival of Office 2007, many people >>>> where puzzled, but once >>>> >>>> you accustomed, you are very productive. I agree also with the fact >>>> that companies should take care of this UI feature, it can be a big mess >>>> (as far as I know, the Ribbon was tested during 2 years by Microsoft Labs >>>> before being shipped). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I never heard about RWT but I'll have a look, thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> By the way, does anyone interested in this project ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Laurent >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 23:16, Ralf Heydenreich <[email protected]> >>>> a écrit : >>>> >>>> Am 24.02.2019 um 17:29 schrieb Laurent Caron: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Well if my level of Wim's language is good enough, a sentence with the >>>> word "batmobile" means "Green light" 😉 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As far as I remember, the look of Hexapixel's ribbon was really close >>>> to the "office 2007" look... Nowadays, Word's ribbon is more flat, without >>>> gradient... >>>> >>>> So my question is : should we start from the original ribbon by Emi, >>>> should we build a new project from scratch or should we migrate project >>>> like FXRibbon ([1]) from JavaFX to SWT ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm interested by this widget, who else ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Laurent >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [1] https://www.pixelduke.com/fxribbon/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Laurent, >>>> >>>> a few months ago I've also player around with the Hexapixel Ribbon >>>> library, but I've decided to not use it. I think, the concept of a "ribbon >>>> bar" is specific for Microsoft applications, especially for Windows users. >>>> MaOS and Linux users have other UI concepts. >>>> >>>> Nonetheless, I think we can work on such a ribbon widget for SWT, since >>>> a lot of applications are running under Windows (in my experience). >>>> Therefore it's good to have a well known concept of a UI. >>>> >>>> Btw, there's also a "Ribbon Widget Toolkit" ( >>>> https://code.google.com/archive/p/rwt/), but it is completely in >>>> Chinese language and I haven't work with it. >>>> >>>> Ralf >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 11:57, Wim Jongman < >>>> [email protected]> a écrit : >>>> >>>> IIRC someone said there is no patent issue anymore. >>>> >>>> To the batmobile, let's go. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>> on behalf of Christian Pontesegger <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2019 8:59:34 AM >>>> *To:* Nebula Dev >>>> *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Interesting IP situation. Do you now, does Eclipse try to sort out such >>>> issues, eg by contacting Microsoft to find an alternate way of >>>> licensing? >>>> >>>> Christian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nebula-dev mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >>>> from this list, visit >>>> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> The Eclipse Management Organization >>> Eclipse Foundation >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nebula-dev mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >>> from this list, visit >>> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nebula-dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > _______________________________________________ > nebula-dev mailing list > [email protected] > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
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