Hi Wim, Interesting idea: your widget should be a kind of mix between the quick access textbox and a toolbar ?
In this case, the items should be linked to the entry menu. It is what you have in mind ? Cheers, Laurent Le ven. 8 mars 2019 à 12:42, Wim Jongman <[email protected]> a écrit : > Yes, maybe it should not be tabbed. Once you know your way around the > Ribbon it is great fun but I found it very confusing in the beginning. > Still if I need some obscure function it is hard for me to know where that > is. > > > > I think the biggest issue with toolbars and menus is “where is that > action”. > > > > Maybe we can combine a search bar with a dynamic toolbar. The toolbar is > minimal when you begin but if you type “debug” it is populated with debug > related actions. Same for “file”, “new”, etc.. > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Laurent Caron > *Sent:* Friday, 8 March 2019 11:28 > *To:* Nebula Dev > *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" > > > > Hi Wim, > > > > Make our own version is a good idea, but I really don't know what is > covered by Microsoft patent : design of the API, concepts like "ribbon > tabs", "ribbon groups", look n' feel ? > > > > If look n'feel is concerned, i do not see how can we create a "tabbed > toolbar" that looks different from the ribbon ? > > > > Laurent > > > > Le jeu. 7 mars 2019 à 12:14, Wim Jongman <[email protected]> a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > The article tells me that Microsoft did not let the ribbon go. We can > duplicate it and if people use it they probably will get away with it until > the point their software makes enough money after which Microsoft will come > knocking. > > > > Maybe it is better if we make you make your own version of a tabbed > toolbar that not tries to mimic the ribbon? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Wim > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 10:53 PM Laurent Caron <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Wayne, > > > > Thank you for your answser. > > > > Well, the current situation seems to be blurry. Last year Corel lost a > patent lawsuit and this article [1] explains that nobody can clarify the > situation. > > > > Do you think that the IP team can get in touch with Microsoft's legal > department ? > > > > Laurent > > > > [1] https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/02/Ribbon-UI > > > > > > Le mer. 6 mars 2019 à 21:12, EMO EMO <[email protected]> a > écrit : > > I don't see anything in the thread that suggests that the legal situation > has changed from what's been captured in CQ 3187 > <https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187>. Does anybody have > any insight into whether not the license on this content has changed? > > > > Whatever the case, if you want to pursue this, send a note to > [email protected] to ask for help. Your request will get addressed > faster if you can provide pointers to the current state Microsoft's legal > claims on the topic. > > > Wayne > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 4:17 AM Wim Jongman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Laurent, > > > > That is great news! Do you think we should contact Microsoft to know if we > can reverse engineer the ribbbon? Maybe the EMO (in cc) is able to advise > us. > > > > We are talking about recreating the Microsoft Ribbon which is attached in > a picture. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Wim > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Laurent Caron > *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:29 > *To:* Nebula Dev > *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" > > > > Hi Team, > > > > Well I've checked RWT and the source code has not been published. > > > > So I've decided to start to work on this feature. Do you know any "flat > icon" library that can be included in a EPL project ? > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > Laurent > > > > > > Le lun. 25 févr. 2019 à 10:10, Laurent Caron <[email protected]> a > écrit : > > Hi Ralf, > > > > I agree with you: Microsoft is very proud of Ribbon Bar (that's why it has > been introduced in the File Explorer of Windows 10), but the gap for users > is very important. I remember the arrival of Office 2007, many people where > puzzled, but once > > you accustomed, you are very productive. I agree also with the fact that > companies should take care of this UI feature, it can be a big mess (as far > as I know, the Ribbon was tested during 2 years by Microsoft Labs before > being shipped). > > > > I never heard about RWT but I'll have a look, thanks. > > > > By the way, does anyone interested in this project ? > > > > Laurent > > > > > > Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 23:16, Ralf Heydenreich <[email protected]> a > écrit : > > Am 24.02.2019 um 17:29 schrieb Laurent Caron: > > Hi, > > > > Well if my level of Wim's language is good enough, a sentence with the > word "batmobile" means "Green light" 😉 > > > > As far as I remember, the look of Hexapixel's ribbon was really close to > the "office 2007" look... Nowadays, Word's ribbon is more flat, without > gradient... > > So my question is : should we start from the original ribbon by Emi, > should we build a new project from scratch or should we migrate project > like FXRibbon ([1]) from JavaFX to SWT ? > > > > I'm interested by this widget, who else ? > > > > Laurent > > > > [1] https://www.pixelduke.com/fxribbon/ > > > > Hi Laurent, > > a few months ago I've also player around with the Hexapixel Ribbon > library, but I've decided to not use it. I think, the concept of a "ribbon > bar" is specific for Microsoft applications, especially for Windows users. > MaOS and Linux users have other UI concepts. > > Nonetheless, I think we can work on such a ribbon widget for SWT, since a > lot of applications are running under Windows (in my experience). Therefore > it's good to have a well known concept of a UI. > > Btw, there's also a "Ribbon Widget Toolkit" ( > https://code.google.com/archive/p/rwt/), but it is completely in Chinese > language and I haven't work with it. > > Ralf > > > > > > > > Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 11:57, Wim Jongman <[email protected]> > a écrit : > > IIRC someone said there is no patent issue anymore. > > To the batmobile, let's go. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> > on behalf of Christian Pontesegger <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2019 8:59:34 AM > *To:* Nebula Dev > *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" > > > > Interesting IP situation. Do you now, does Eclipse try to sort out such > issues, eg by contacting Microsoft to find an alternate way of > licensing? > > Christian > > > > _______________________________________________ > nebula-dev mailing list > [email protected] > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > > > > -- > > The Eclipse Management Organization > Eclipse Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > nebula-dev mailing list > [email protected] > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > _______________________________________________ > nebula-dev mailing list > [email protected] > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > _______________________________________________ > nebula-dev mailing list > [email protected] > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > _______________________________________________ > nebula-dev mailing list > [email protected] > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
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