>99% of my transactions are as a buyer, and after almost 20 years and 391 
transactions I've only had 2 cases where the seller didn't deliver, and 
both times I was promptly refunded; neither of those 2 cases were nixie 
tubes. Ebay protections seem to favor the buyer much more than the seller, 
so my viewpoint is obviously different than for those who mostly sell.

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:51:03 AM UTC-7 LB wrote:

> The only bad eBay experience I’ve had was when I ordered 80 NL-5853s for 
> about a dollar a piece...needless to say, this was too good to be true and 
> the seller kept sending messages about why they couldn’t send the package, 
> and then went radio silent. I will say that the process of getting a refund 
> was quite simple and easy, so props to eBay on that front.
>
> On Apr 5, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Nick Andrews <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I've had pretty good luck as well, but did get screwed over by a dishonest 
> seller a couple years ago where I won a bid on a rare RADIAC set with a 
> very rare probe.  Scumbag canceled the sale (after I paid even) and 
> actually wrote that he couldn't afford to sell it for the closing price 
> because he had more into it than that (which I doubt).  He had listed it as 
> ButItNow at just under $3k for months and months, then finally listed it as 
> an auction, which I won for a reasonable number.  I reported to ebay and 
> they did nothing even though I had it in writing through their messaging 
> system that he was flagrantly violating the rules.  So my hobby is from 
> time to time reporting a bunch of his auctions as fraudulent, stolen, 
> illegal, etc.  Maybe I should buy something really cheap from him so I can 
> get his address.
>
> But with  several thousand other transactions, not an issue as a buyer or 
> seller on epay, except their increasingly exorbitant fees, and now the tax 
> nonsense.
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 6:40 PM ZY <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I've been buying from ebay/aliexpress/etsy with no issues, I probably 
>> have 500+ transactions over the past 10 years. But as with all internet 
>> orders, I do have the occasional missing item or broken item sent to me. 
>> I've gotten my money back every single time, ebay/aliexpress would 99% of 
>> the time side with the buyer and they'll give you an instant refund.
>>
>> I also sell on ebay, I think they give you the option now for fees like 
>> shipping costs to be deducted directly from the sale instead of debting 
>> from the bank.
>>
>> I would trust these large internet vendors with my CC info more than the 
>> restaurant I go to tbh, these large companies have been operating for years 
>> and have millions of dollars pouring into security. The restaurant nearby 
>> who takes my credit card could just be skimming my info at the counter for 
>> all I know. I guess it's a US thing, in Canada they bring the small 
>> handheld CC machine to you so your CC never leaves your hands.
>>
>> On Sunday, 3 April 2022 at 07:31:59 UTC-4 Robert G. Schaffrath wrote:
>>
>>> My biggest issues with eBay in the past were not receiving and item 
>>> though it was a rare occurrence. I would contact eBay and they would tell 
>>> me to contact PayPal. Contacted PayPal and they would tell me to contact 
>>> eBay. One big circle j__k. Since the amounts had been under USD$10, I just 
>>> wrote it off. But it has always made me very leery of buying anything on 
>>> eBay though I have not had any issues for many years. When I first opened 
>>> my PayPal account, I too worried about them having my checking account. In 
>>> the end, I opened a second checking account at a different bank right near 
>>> me where I already had a savings account. I keep very little money in the 
>>> account as I can easily transfer money from savings to checking as needed 
>>> (I think back to when I was kid in the 1960's and my father would drive to 
>>> the savings bank, take out money and then drive to the commercial bank to 
>>> put it in the checking account - glad that is a thing of the past). As 
>>> such, there is very little PayPal, or now eBay, can take from me if they 
>>> are hacked or just decide they want some money for some reason.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 12:10:32 PM UTC-4 SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F. 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've never had problems with payments on ebay so far, but i have to 
>>>> admit that i think ebay is getting worse and worse every day.
>>>> My biggest issue is that ebay is actively hiding items that can't be 
>>>> delivered to your address. I have multiple addresses for shipping, but 
>>>> only 
>>>> the primary one is considered valid at searches. Its a pain switching 
>>>> between 3 addresses to see "all" items for a specific search.  Not to 
>>>> mention the ridiculous forced translations they do since a while ago...
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, 2 April 2022 at 00:39:29 UTC+2 Jim KO5V wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to everyone who responded. I am very frustrated with eBay, 
>>>>> since I get an email every couple of weeks telling me that "action is 
>>>>> required to put my account back in good standing". It sounds like I am a 
>>>>> deadbeat, rather than a paying customer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had considered opening a 'for internet use only' bank account, but 
>>>>> giving out my social security number is probably always going to be the 
>>>>> real problem. It might already have been compromised, but I guess I just 
>>>>> don't want to volunteer any more information than is necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I get older, I am wanting to simplify. eBay is convenient, but 
>>>>> there are ham radio sites, etc where I can sell my treasures, so except 
>>>>> for 
>>>>> the occasional purchase, I'm  probably done with eBay - after almost 25 
>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Best regards, Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 7:24:15 AM UTC-6 Paul Andrews wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> @threeneurons, that is very sensible. As someone who had their 
>>>>>> identity stolen I am very wary about any of this. BTW 'stolen identity' 
>>>>>> does not mean they got my credit card info. It means they got my 
>>>>>> identity 
>>>>>> and went around opening their own credit cards in my name, using my 
>>>>>> address 
>>>>>> and my social security number. This year we found out that my son also 
>>>>>> got 
>>>>>> his identity stolen - someone filed their taxes using his information (I 
>>>>>> still don't see the benefit of that).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, I stopped selling online after paypal sent me a 1099. The 
>>>>>> extra hassle filing taxes isn't worth it for the small amount of money I 
>>>>>> get from selling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 6:29:12 PM UTC-4 threeneurons wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> eBay has been doing this now, for about a year and a half. I've had 
>>>>>>> no problems, so far. Initially, I didn't understand why they did this, 
>>>>>>> only 
>>>>>>> a few years after selling off Paypal. So It seemed kinda stupid. But I 
>>>>>>> think it has to do with some legal changes both in the US and in 
>>>>>>> Europe. In 
>>>>>>> the US, all online transactions need to include the sales tax of the 
>>>>>>> buyer's state. In Europe, they want the VAT collected at time of 
>>>>>>> purchase. 
>>>>>>> When eBay took over handling the payments, they take care of both of 
>>>>>>> those. 
>>>>>>> Sales tax and VAT get routed directly from the buyer to eBay, and (I 
>>>>>>> assume) to the respective government agency. I only get the item's 
>>>>>>> price, 
>>>>>>> shipping (that I established), less eBay's fees (~10%). They deposit 
>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>> amount to my bank account, either daily, or weekly, dependent on the 
>>>>>>> sellers preference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I Long ago set up a different bank account, at a whole different 
>>>>>>> bank, just for online stuff. That way if either eBay or Paypal get 
>>>>>>> hacked, 
>>>>>>> only this "online use" account is exposed. Your SSN is needed, if and 
>>>>>>> when 
>>>>>>> they issue 1099s.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, all banks now, have an on line presents, so with my luck, 
>>>>>>> my main bank gets breached, while the small sum, at the "online use" 
>>>>>>> bank 
>>>>>>> stays unaffected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 1:45:37 PM UTC-7 Pramanicin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Etsy sellers have nixies etc on them....I quite liked that platform 
>>>>>>>> in the beginning, but slowly their commissions grew higher and I gave 
>>>>>>>> up 
>>>>>>>> using it as a seller.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 1:30 PM 'Grahame' via neonixie-l <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So far I've not had a problem with eBay or Paypal but then I think 
>>>>>>>>> I have been following their rules when both buying and selling.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tried to open an account to buy through Alibaba house of horrors 
>>>>>>>>> and they asked for a photograph of my passport, proof of my home 
>>>>>>>>> address 
>>>>>>>>> and a photo of the credit card I was going to use. I just deleted the 
>>>>>>>>> email 
>>>>>>>>> and all those that followed asking me to pay for the goods in my 
>>>>>>>>> basket. 
>>>>>>>>> Eventually they stopped and I've not tried again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Grahame
>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2022 21:01, Jim KO5V wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good Afternoon,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the last couple of years, I have avoided giving eBay my bank 
>>>>>>>>> info and SS #.  I always use PayPal on line, mainly because in my 
>>>>>>>>> simple 
>>>>>>>>> mind, keeping my information in one place, rather than spreading it 
>>>>>>>>> out all 
>>>>>>>>> over the web lowers the odds of having that info stolen. Several 
>>>>>>>>> years 
>>>>>>>>> ago,  a couple of my CC #s were stolen when on-line merchants were 
>>>>>>>>> hacked, 
>>>>>>>>> so I am probably a bit over-sensitive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess eBay wants to dump PayPal and "float" the money 
>>>>>>>>> themselves, so now I'm no longer allowed to sell unless I give them 
>>>>>>>>> my bank 
>>>>>>>>> info and SS# info. I am not comfortable doing this. I still can buy 
>>>>>>>>> on eBay 
>>>>>>>>> with a credit card (or PP until they get rid of it). My credit cards 
>>>>>>>>> are 
>>>>>>>>> protected by their issuing banks, so if they are compromised. I'm OK. 
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm just curious how other people on this list feel about this 
>>>>>>>>> situations. Is there a viable alternative to eBay?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW, eBay is holding about $7.00 from a sale I made a couple of 
>>>>>>>>> months ago, and they won't release it until they have my bank info. I 
>>>>>>>>> think 
>>>>>>>>> I'll let it ride, and see how they handle it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Jim
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