Hi Helen, Always lovely to hear from you,
In view of such a positive response by Netbehaviour users, I think the list will carry on but, I was especially excited by Ana's words saying, “ We must change something to keep the things as they are”. I think that's spot on. I also really like the idea of having a live meeting to make a few key decisions via Jistsi etc. We can have a vote on things or a consensus-based approach. I was reading and watching some videos about Upstage, it looks like it's going well. And yes, I completely appreciate what you said about time doing all this stuff. There's a lot of maintenance going on in the background for this list, and an awful lot of emotional, psychic and conceptual energy. I would never take away the love and time you've put into your projects because they mean a lot to you, the same goes for us. Will chat more about this to others on the list tomorrow. Wishing you well. Marc On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 at 21:15, Helen Varley Jamieson < [email protected]> wrote: > hi everyone, > > i am in an ongoing state of relentless overload so i've been unable to do > much more than periodically delete all the netbehaviour emails (and > multiple other lists). i just don't have the brain space for anything much > at the moment, outisde of the online magdalena festival and UpStage (both > going extremely well and very joyous, just all-consuming!!) > > so, having barely read any of the emails about the list, perhaps people > have already said this - but for me netbehaviour has been for a very very > long time an important refuge for me, even if i'm not so often active on > it. i like that it has no imposed structure, it has no discussion topics or > facilitators, it's allowed to be whatever people need it to be at the time. > it has evolved and changed over the years, and at some point it will cease > to exist, but it doesn't feel like it's reached that point yet. for me it's > a valuable alternative to social media, which i find just too much effort. > > i really appreciate ruth & marc's gentle organic management of the list - > i know it's work, i look after other lists & i'm not volunteering to take > anything on. you've done it beautifully for a long time & you don't have to > do it forever. maybe there are others out there with the motivation to take > it on, maybe not. yes i would be sad if/when it ended, but if there's > no-one to take it on then it's time has come. > > i've been reading about loss & grief recently as part of the work on the > UpStage project, https://mobilise-demobilise.eu/ - in particular "hope & > grief in the anthropocene" by lesley head, and "the living sea of waking > dreams" by richard flanagan (both australians, incidentally) - about how > crap we western humans are at dealing with grief and loss, and how > important it is that we get better at it, because the future is going to > involve a lot of loss (at least for those of us who lead privileged western > lifestyles). i found both books - the first is an academic text & the > second a novel - very powerful, honest, moving and ultimately hopeful. loss > doesn't have to be a bad thing. > > h : ) > On 08.06.21 10:57, Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour wrote: > > Dear All! > > Firstly, Alan I also love your posts -the pattern which I think of as an > art ping, and the content (when I watch, listen, read it) is a portal into > your art practise which I really enjoy and value. > > I also think that Alan has a point in saying that Marc and I should > provide a steer as list owners. I have a few ideas that I will share at the > weekend (it's a hardcore project week this week for me). > > But in the meantime keeping the conversation open is allowing us to see > and feel the shape of the community. It has been so useful to hear from > Gretta, Patrick, Paul, Ana, Annie, Johannes, Erik and all. More please! We > also appreciate various offers from people to contribute financially to the > lists upkeep. > > We regard the value in this list as the strange undefined collective > property of everyone who has ever contributed. But as it is currently set > up, it is not a Commons. I personally, would like it if it were. > We can also consider Annie's suggestion of letting it go. But if that's > the way it goes (and this is not what I want) it should certainly not be > done casually, rather with the ceremony befitting the splendour of all that > has ever occurred here ; ) > > I do want to reassure you Alan, we will make no sudden moves! The whole > point of discussing this now is that it is not an emergency. We just need > to work out who "we" are and what "we" want. > > Warmly > Ruth > > > > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 11:48 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I think we need some guidance; both Ruth and Marc seem unhappy with >> Netbehaviour as it is. >> I'm not sure myself whether to post or not. >> Certainly calls could be put out to all the subscribers to indicate >> whether they want to continue as such or not. >> It's all about "as such or not" I think. Technically, Marc and Ruth are >> list-owners, I believe. Ultimately they're responsible for the direction of >> the list in the sense that any of us could be unsubscribed at the very >> least. >> There are times I've had to unsub people and that's always painful, as >> would be, at least for us, shutting the list down. >> I have no idea what to do. I find the situation hugely depressing. >> Netbehaviour may be derailing, certainly as a commons. And the longer this >> discussion is drawn out, the worse >> things will get, at least that's been my experience. >> >> Meanwhile I keep writing/performing/worlding, whatever I do. >> >> Best, whatever that is, >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 5:57 PM Johannes Birringer < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hello all. shapeshifters! >>> >>> just watched Alan's video and also realized it may be the last one, as >>> he may not be posting his poetic writing and music here, anymore.... >>> so I watch it as the last one Alan! thank you.... >>> >>> The conversations about how we might shift this "net- behavior" and >>> become more attuned again to what Ruth and Marc may have imagined - >>> "a place for free and open artistic experimentation with networked >>> media, and community building" is very intriguing. I just reread the many >>> postings here, and am stimulated and confused, loving all the responses, >>> disagreeing with some......as it should be. I try to be short; Ruth's >>> parables of the forest (and our poor presence as merely "ethnographic >>> peculiarities") inspired me: >a campfire in some unmanaged ancient >>> woodland...>>......>>The woods around the campfire are full of watchers and >>> listeners (who knows who??)<< >>> >>> ...the analogies resonated with me, especially over the last 14 months >>> in a pandemic that made me leave academia and spend more time in the >>> forest, recording, performing, linking up, in the valley, with my village >>> community, inventing new rituals, listening to others and what they thought >>> the "latende Allmende" (latent commons, as Anna Tsing calls it in her book >>> on mushrooms and living in the ruins of capitalism) might be like. No one >>> knew exactly, but we talked, and took our masks off.... and walked along >>> the river [see pic] >>> >>> Well.. what is our "latende Allmende" going to be, with other (younger) >>> participants? do we know the age and gender of the members who post here? i >>> don't, and it never mattered, nor the the number of subscribers ("we don't >>> really know much about us") ? 643, 1625? 59? >>> is that true? >>> >>> well, if the commons are evoked, and Furherfield's new director, and new >>> policies or strategic aims (inclusivity, intersectionality, link to local >>> neighborhood) are mentioned in the organization's remit, now what exactly >>> do you want us to do, in our shapeshifting? Have we not actually been >>> engaged....learning/contributing "about what it means to aim for a commons >>> of diverse cultures in connected physical to digital realms. It requires >>> careful planning, partnership building and a lot of production work"...... >>> >>> yes, it does. and we do. >>> >>> >>> with warm regards >>> Johannes Birringer >>> >>> ________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > > -- > Ruth Catlow > she/her > Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts > Lab > +44 (0) 77370 02879 > > *I will only agree to speak at events that are racially and gender > balanced. > > **sending thanks > <https://www.ovoenergy.com/ovo-newsroom/press-releases/2019/november/think-before-you-thank-if-every-brit-sent-one-less-thank-you-email-a-day-we-would-save-16433-tonnes-of-carbon-a-year-the-same-as-81152-flights-to-madrid.html> > in > advance > > *Furtherfield *disrupts and democratises art and technology through > exhibitions, > labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free thinking. > furtherfield.org <http://www.furtherfield.org/> > > *DECAL* Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 > technologies research hub > > for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now. > > decal.is <http://www.decal.is> > > Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company Limited by Guarantee > > Registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205. > > Registered business address: Carbon Accountancy, 80-83 Long Lane, London, > EC1A 9ET. > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing > [email protected]https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > -- > > helen varley jamieson > > [email protected] > http://www.creative-catalyst.com > http://www.upstage.org.nz > https://mobilise-demobilise.eu > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- Wishing you well Marc ------------------------------------------------------- Dr Marc Garrett Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab Furtherfield disrupts & democratises art and technology through exhibitions, labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free thinking. http://www.furtherfield.org DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 technologies research hub for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now. http://decal.is/ Recent publications: State Machines: Reflections & Actions at the Edge of Digital Citizenship, Finance, & Art. 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