I find the notion of existing in the ruins of media art and the idea of the internet as a positive force absolutely compelling - electrifying really!
Actually I think this is what all of my current work is doing. Thank you! Gretta > On 9. Jun 2021, at 09:32, F3ydrus via NetBehaviour > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ironically, I broke my long lurking silence on this list earlier today in > response to Simon's 'cochineal' message, without yet having read the recent > and ongoing discussion about the list, which included the question of who all > these 600+ lurkers might be... Last night I had 2hrs to catch up on the whole > genealogy of the recent explosion of posts, and then it was too late to > write. I see further indication this morning of 'moving on' from the > explosion, and a return of activity about other things, which is great. I > hope another long response on this isn't too disruptive / painful. > > Like Johannes I found Ruth's "campfire in some unmanaged ancient woodland" > analogy extremely resonant, partly because I too have been reconnecting with > my local physical space + place over these past 15 months. In fact as we come > out of lockdown in the UK I continue to get further connected locally. I live > in Cornwall in the far south west and there aren't many great woodlands but > some beautiful pockets, often inland away from the beaches (which I tend to > avoid due to their popularity). I live in Penryn, an 800 year-old town where > the most important work of literature in Cornish was written, the Ordinalia - > mystery plays, now understood to have been played in the round in the > so-called 'playing places' of Cornwall, circular arenas with raised > embankments, in the pre-modern theatre era. The Ordinalia were written in a > pre-Reformation lay college called Glasney College, which was a grand > structure built on low damp ground near the old harbour (in what was once > woodland). Since the destruction of the monasteries and the raiding of all > the stones of Glasney by the townspeople, there is almost nothing left. Just > the eponymous Glasney Field, a big open space that's been kept clear of > construction for hundreds of years, and a fragment of an archway just outside > the field in somebody's back garden. In the remaining woods nearby there are > other larger but less significant ruins, from more recent times, overgrown > and unattended. > > NetBehaviour strikes me as more than a campfire in the forest. It is a > campfire *in a ruin* in the forest. The ruin of itself, of new media art, of > the ideas of the web, of the internet as a positive force, and so on. Maybe > don't knock it down, or clear all the weeds, or rebuild it. There is > something intensely fertile about congregating in ruins. The most beautiful > wedding I ever went to was in a ruined church open to the sky and floored > with grass. We need ruins, to confront us with mortality. To remember. To > connect with deep time. To think about what we want to build, perhaps > elsewhere. > > As for the mysterious lurkers in the dark woods around the campfire, don't > fear them. We are woodland creatures, attracted to the fire but nervous of > it. We won't hurt you. I imagine we're pretty much all like me, nurtured and > encouraged by the all-so-rare atmosphere of conviviality and consideration > here. These ruins are beautiful and a good place to take inspiration, like > Ruskin. By all means hold events in the ruin, concerts, processions > (NetBehaviour Jitsi meets). But don't fear the forest, its labyrinthine paths > and trackless undergrowth. Fear the clearing of woodland for commerce and the > fenced path. The saddest forest experience I ever had was going to see the > Old Oak in Sherwood Forest, Nottinghamshire. There was a low-fenced path from > the visitor centre to the fenced-off tree. It was clear where to go. > > > Warmest regards to you all, > > Adam Russell > leelatrope.com <https://leelatrope.com/> > > > > On 08.06.2021 22:42, marc garrett via NetBehaviour wrote: > >> Hi Helen, >> >> Always lovely to hear from you, >> >> In view of such a positive response by Netbehaviour users, I think the list >> will carry on but, I was especially excited by Ana's words saying, " We must >> change something to keep the things as they are". I think that's spot on. >> >> I also really like the idea of having a live meeting to make a few key >> decisions via Jistsi etc. >> >> We can have a vote on things or a consensus-based approach. >> >> I was reading and watching some videos about Upstage, it looks like it's >> going well. And yes, I completely appreciate what you said about time doing >> all this stuff. There's a lot of maintenance going on in the background for >> this list, and an awful lot of emotional, psychic and conceptual energy. I >> would never take away the love and time you've put into your projects >> because they mean a lot to you, the same goes for us. >> >> Will chat more about this to others on the list tomorrow. >> >> Wishing you well. >> >> Marc >> >> >> >> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 at 21:15, Helen Varley Jamieson >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> hi everyone, >> >> i am in an ongoing state of relentless overload so i've been unable to do >> much more than periodically delete all the netbehaviour emails (and multiple >> other lists). i just don't have the brain space for anything much at the >> moment, outisde of the online magdalena festival and UpStage (both going >> extremely well and very joyous, just all-consuming!!) >> >> so, having barely read any of the emails about the list, perhaps people have >> already said this - but for me netbehaviour has been for a very very long >> time an important refuge for me, even if i'm not so often active on it. i >> like that it has no imposed structure, it has no discussion topics or >> facilitators, it's allowed to be whatever people need it to be at the time. >> it has evolved and changed over the years, and at some point it will cease >> to exist, but it doesn't feel like it's reached that point yet. for me it's >> a valuable alternative to social media, which i find just too much effort. >> >> i really appreciate ruth & marc's gentle organic management of the list - i >> know it's work, i look after other lists & i'm not volunteering to take >> anything on. you've done it beautifully for a long time & you don't have to >> do it forever. maybe there are others out there with the motivation to take >> it on, maybe not. yes i would be sad if/when it ended, but if there's no-one >> to take it on then it's time has come. >> >> i've been reading about loss & grief recently as part of the work on the >> UpStage project, https://mobilise-demobilise.eu/ >> <https://mobilise-demobilise.eu/> - in particular "hope & grief in the >> anthropocene" by lesley head, and "the living sea of waking dreams" by >> richard flanagan (both australians, incidentally) - about how crap we >> western humans are at dealing with grief and loss, and how important it is >> that we get better at it, because the future is going to involve a lot of >> loss (at least for those of us who lead privileged western lifestyles). i >> found both books - the first is an academic text & the second a novel - very >> powerful, honest, moving and ultimately hopeful. loss doesn't have to be a >> bad thing. >> >> h : ) >> >> On 08.06.21 10:57, Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour wrote: >>> Dear All! >>> >>> Firstly, Alan I also love your posts -the pattern which I think of as an >>> art ping, and the content (when I watch, listen, read it) is a portal into >>> your art practise which I really enjoy and value. >>> >>> I also think that Alan has a point in saying that Marc and I should provide >>> a steer as list owners. I have a few ideas that I will share at the weekend >>> (it's a hardcore project week this week for me). >>> >>> But in the meantime keeping the conversation open is allowing us to see and >>> feel the shape of the community. It has been so useful to hear from Gretta, >>> Patrick, Paul, Ana, Annie, Johannes, Erik and all. More please! We also >>> appreciate various offers from people to contribute financially to the >>> lists upkeep. >>> >>> We regard the value in this list as the strange undefined collective >>> property of everyone who has ever contributed. But as it is currently set >>> up, it is not a Commons. I personally, would like it if it were. >>> We can also consider Annie's suggestion of letting it go. But if that's the >>> way it goes (and this is not what I want) it should certainly not be done >>> casually, rather with the ceremony befitting the splendour of all that has >>> ever occurred here ; ) >>> >>> I do want to reassure you Alan, we will make no sudden moves! The whole >>> point of discussing this now is that it is not an emergency. We just need >>> to work out who "we" are and what "we" want. >>> >>> Warmly >>> Ruth >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 11:48 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour >>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I think we need some guidance; both Ruth and Marc seem unhappy with >>> Netbehaviour as it is. >>> I'm not sure myself whether to post or not. >>> Certainly calls could be put out to all the subscribers to indicate whether >>> they want to continue as such or not. >>> It's all about "as such or not" I think. Technically, Marc and Ruth are >>> list-owners, I believe. Ultimately they're responsible for the direction of >>> the list in the sense that any of us could be unsubscribed at the very >>> least. >>> There are times I've had to unsub people and that's always painful, as >>> would be, at least for us, shutting the list down. >>> I have no idea what to do. I find the situation hugely depressing. >>> Netbehaviour may be derailing, certainly as a commons. And the longer this >>> discussion is drawn out, the worse >>> things will get, at least that's been my experience. >>> >>> Meanwhile I keep writing/performing/worlding, whatever I do. >>> >>> Best, whatever that is, >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 5:57 PM Johannes Birringer >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> Hello all. shapeshifters! >>> >>> just watched Alan's video and also realized it may be the last one, as he >>> may not be posting his poetic writing and music here, anymore.... >>> so I watch it as the last one Alan! thank you.... >>> >>> The conversations about how we might shift this "net- behavior" and become >>> more attuned again to what Ruth and Marc may have imagined - >>> "a place for free and open artistic experimentation with networked media, >>> and community building" is very intriguing. I just reread the many >>> postings here, and am stimulated and confused, loving all the responses, >>> disagreeing with some......as it should be. I try to be short; Ruth's >>> parables of the forest (and our poor presence as merely "ethnographic >>> peculiarities") inspired me: >a campfire in some unmanaged ancient >>> woodland...>>......>>The woods around the campfire are full of watchers and >>> listeners (who knows who??)<< >>> >>> ...the analogies resonated with me, especially over the last 14 months in a >>> pandemic that made me leave academia and spend more time in the forest, >>> recording, performing, linking up, in the valley, with my village >>> community, inventing new rituals, listening to others and what they thought >>> the "latende Allmende" (latent commons, as Anna Tsing calls it in her book >>> on mushrooms and living in the ruins of capitalism) might be like. No one >>> knew exactly, but we talked, and took our masks off.... and walked along >>> the river [see pic] >>> >>> Well.. what is our "latende Allmende" going to be, with other (younger) >>> participants? do we know the age and gender of the members who post here? i >>> don't, and it never mattered, nor the the number of subscribers ("we don't >>> really know much about us") ? 643, 1625? 59? >>> is that true? >>> >>> well, if the commons are evoked, and Furherfield's new director, and new >>> policies or strategic aims (inclusivity, intersectionality, link to local >>> neighborhood) are mentioned in the organization's remit, now what exactly >>> do you want us to do, in our shapeshifting? Have we not actually been >>> engaged....learning/contributing "about what it means to aim for a commons >>> of diverse cultures in connected physical to digital realms. It requires >>> careful planning, partnership building and a lot of production work"...... >>> >>> yes, it does. and we do. >>> >>> >>> with warm regards >>> Johannes Birringer >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> <https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> >>> >>> -- >>> Ruth Catlow >>> she/her >>> Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts >>> Lab >>> +44 (0) 77370 02879 >>> >>> *I will only agree to speak at events that are racially and gender >>> balanced. >>> >>> **sending thanks >>> <https://www.ovoenergy.com/ovo-newsroom/press-releases/2019/november/think-before-you-thank-if-every-brit-sent-one-less-thank-you-email-a-day-we-would-save-16433-tonnes-of-carbon-a-year-the-same-as-81152-flights-to-madrid.html> >>> in advance >>> >>> Furtherfield disrupts and democratises art and technology through >>> exhibitions, labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free >>> thinking. >>> furtherfield.org <http://www.furtherfield.org/> >>> >>> DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 technologies >>> research hub >>> for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now. >>> decal.is <http://www.decal.is/> >>> >>> Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company Limited by Guarantee >>> Registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205. >>> Registered business address: Carbon Accountancy, 80-83 Long Lane, London, >>> EC1A 9ET. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> <https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> >> -- >> helen varley jamieson >> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://www.creative-catalyst.com <http://www.creative-catalyst.com/> >> http://www.upstage.org.nz <http://www.upstage.org.nz/> >> https://mobilise-demobilise.eu >> <https://mobilise-demobilise.eu/>_______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> <https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> >> >> -- >> Wishing you well >> >> Marc >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Dr Marc Garrett >> >> Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab >> >> Furtherfield disrupts & democratises art and technology through exhibitions, >> labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free thinking. >> http://www.furtherfield.org <http://www.furtherfield.org/> >> >> DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 technologies >> research hub for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & >> economies now. http://decal.is/ <http://decal.is/> >> >> Recent publications: >> >> State Machines: Reflections & Actions at the Edge of Digital Citizenship, >> Finance, & Art. Edited by Yiannis Colakides, Marc Garrett, Inte Gloerich. >> Institute of Network Cultures, Amsterdam 2019 http://bit.do/eQgg3 >> <http://bit.do/eQgg3> >> >> Artists Re:thinking the Blockchain. Eds, Ruth Catlow, Marc Garrett, Nathan >> Jones, & Sam Skinner. Liverpool Press - http://bit.ly/2x8XlMK >> <http://bit.ly/2x8XlMK> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> <https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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