hi all, super remember Helen initiated this: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/online-tools-for-the-pandemic
agee > On 09 Jun 2021, at 00:42, marc garrett via NetBehaviour > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Helen, > > Always lovely to hear from you, > > In view of such a positive response by Netbehaviour users, I think the list > will carry on but, I was especially excited by Ana's words saying, “ We must > change something to keep the things as they are”. I think that's spot on. > > I also really like the idea of having a live meeting to make a few key > decisions via Jistsi etc. > > We can have a vote on things or a consensus-based approach. > > I was reading and watching some videos about Upstage, it looks like it's > going well. And yes, I completely appreciate what you said about time doing > all this stuff. There's a lot of maintenance going on in the background for > this list, and an awful lot of emotional, psychic and conceptual energy. I > would never take away the love and time you've put into your projects because > they mean a lot to you, the same goes for us. > > Will chat more about this to others on the list tomorrow. > > Wishing you well. > > Marc > > > > On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 at 21:15, Helen Varley Jamieson > <[email protected]> wrote: > hi everyone, > > i am in an ongoing state of relentless overload so i've been unable to do > much more than periodically delete all the netbehaviour emails (and multiple > other lists). i just don't have the brain space for anything much at the > moment, outisde of the online magdalena festival and UpStage (both going > extremely well and very joyous, just all-consuming!!) > > so, having barely read any of the emails about the list, perhaps people have > already said this - but for me netbehaviour has been for a very very long > time an important refuge for me, even if i'm not so often active on it. i > like that it has no imposed structure, it has no discussion topics or > facilitators, it's allowed to be whatever people need it to be at the time. > it has evolved and changed over the years, and at some point it will cease to > exist, but it doesn't feel like it's reached that point yet. for me it's a > valuable alternative to social media, which i find just too much effort. > > i really appreciate ruth & marc's gentle organic management of the list - i > know it's work, i look after other lists & i'm not volunteering to take > anything on. you've done it beautifully for a long time & you don't have to > do it forever. maybe there are others out there with the motivation to take > it on, maybe not. yes i would be sad if/when it ended, but if there's no-one > to take it on then it's time has come. > > i've been reading about loss & grief recently as part of the work on the > UpStage project, https://mobilise-demobilise.eu/ - in particular "hope & > grief in the anthropocene" by lesley head, and "the living sea of waking > dreams" by richard flanagan (both australians, incidentally) - about how crap > we western humans are at dealing with grief and loss, and how important it is > that we get better at it, because the future is going to involve a lot of > loss (at least for those of us who lead privileged western lifestyles). i > found both books - the first is an academic text & the second a novel - very > powerful, honest, moving and ultimately hopeful. loss doesn't have to be a > bad thing. > h : ) > On 08.06.21 10:57, Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour wrote: >> Dear All! >> >> Firstly, Alan I also love your posts -the pattern which I think of as an art >> ping, and the content (when I watch, listen, read it) is a portal into your >> art practise which I really enjoy and value. >> >> I also think that Alan has a point in saying that Marc and I should provide >> a steer as list owners. I have a few ideas that I will share at the weekend >> (it's a hardcore project week this week for me). >> >> But in the meantime keeping the conversation open is allowing us to see and >> feel the shape of the community. It has been so useful to hear from Gretta, >> Patrick, Paul, Ana, Annie, Johannes, Erik and all. More please! We also >> appreciate various offers from people to contribute financially to the lists >> upkeep. >> >> We regard the value in this list as the strange undefined collective >> property of everyone who has ever contributed. But as it is currently set >> up, it is not a Commons. I personally, would like it if it were. >> We can also consider Annie's suggestion of letting it go. But if that's the >> way it goes (and this is not what I want) it should certainly not be done >> casually, rather with the ceremony befitting the splendour of all that has >> ever occurred here ; ) >> >> I do want to reassure you Alan, we will make no sudden moves! The whole >> point of discussing this now is that it is not an emergency. We just need to >> work out who "we" are and what "we" want. >> >> Warmly >> Ruth >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 11:48 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I think we need some guidance; both Ruth and Marc seem unhappy with >> Netbehaviour as it is. >> I'm not sure myself whether to post or not. >> Certainly calls could be put out to all the subscribers to indicate whether >> they want to continue as such or not. >> It's all about "as such or not" I think. Technically, Marc and Ruth are >> list-owners, I believe. Ultimately they're responsible for the direction of >> the list in the sense that any of us could be unsubscribed at the very least. >> There are times I've had to unsub people and that's always painful, as would >> be, at least for us, shutting the list down. >> I have no idea what to do. I find the situation hugely depressing. >> Netbehaviour may be derailing, certainly as a commons. And the longer this >> discussion is drawn out, the worse >> things will get, at least that's been my experience. >> >> Meanwhile I keep writing/performing/worlding, whatever I do. >> >> Best, whatever that is, >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 5:57 PM Johannes Birringer >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello all. shapeshifters! >> >> just watched Alan's video and also realized it may be the last one, as he >> may not be posting his poetic writing and music here, anymore.... >> so I watch it as the last one Alan! thank you.... >> >> The conversations about how we might shift this "net- behavior" and become >> more attuned again to what Ruth and Marc may have imagined - >> "a place for free and open artistic experimentation with networked media, >> and community building" is very intriguing. I just reread the many postings >> here, and am stimulated and confused, loving all the responses, disagreeing >> with some......as it should be. I try to be short; Ruth's parables of the >> forest (and our poor presence as merely "ethnographic peculiarities") >> inspired me: >a campfire in some unmanaged ancient woodland...>>......>>The >> woods around the campfire are full of watchers and listeners (who knows >> who??)<< >> >> ...the analogies resonated with me, especially over the last 14 months in a >> pandemic that made me leave academia and spend more time in the forest, >> recording, performing, linking up, in the valley, with my village community, >> inventing new rituals, listening to others and what they thought the >> "latende Allmende" (latent commons, as Anna Tsing calls it in her book on >> mushrooms and living in the ruins of capitalism) might be like. No one knew >> exactly, but we talked, and took our masks off.... and walked along the >> river [see pic] >> >> Well.. what is our "latende Allmende" going to be, with other (younger) >> participants? do we know the age and gender of the members who post here? i >> don't, and it never mattered, nor the the number of subscribers ("we don't >> really know much about us") ? 643, 1625? 59? >> is that true? >> >> well, if the commons are evoked, and Furherfield's new director, and new >> policies or strategic aims (inclusivity, intersectionality, link to local >> neighborhood) are mentioned in the organization's remit, now what exactly do >> you want us to do, in our shapeshifting? Have we not actually been >> engaged....learning/contributing "about what it means to aim for a commons >> of diverse cultures in connected physical to digital realms. It requires >> careful planning, partnership building and a lot of production work"...... >> >> yes, it does. and we do. >> >> >> with warm regards >> Johannes Birringer >> >> ________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> -- >> Ruth Catlow >> she/her >> Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab >> +44 (0) 77370 02879 >> >> *I will only agree to speak at events that are racially and gender balanced. >> >> **sending thanks in advance >> >> Furtherfield disrupts and democratises art and technology >> through >> >> exhibitions, labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free >> thinking. >> furtherfield.org >> >> DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 technologies >> research hub >> for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now. >> decal.is >> >> Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company Limited by Guarantee >> Registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205. >> Registered business address: Carbon Accountancy, 80-83 Long Lane, London, >> EC1A 9ET. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- > helen varley jamieson > [email protected] > http://www.creative-catalyst.com > http://www.upstage.org.nz > https://mobilise-demobilise.eu > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > -- > Wishing you well > > Marc > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Dr Marc Garrett > > Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab > > Furtherfield disrupts & democratises art and technology through exhibitions, > labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free thinking. > http://www.furtherfield.org > > DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 technologies > research hub for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & > economies now. http://decal.is/ > > Recent publications: > > State Machines: Reflections & Actions at the Edge of Digital Citizenship, > Finance, & Art. Edited by Yiannis Colakides, Marc Garrett, Inte Gloerich. > Institute of Network Cultures, Amsterdam 2019 http://bit.do/eQgg3 > > Artists Re:thinking the Blockchain. Eds, Ruth Catlow, Marc Garrett, Nathan > Jones, & Sam Skinner. Liverpool Press - http://bit.ly/2x8XlMK > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
