Hi Simon, Totally agree. For some years, I´ve asked myself the same questions and got some answers. * "How can you know the value of something that doesn’t exist yet?" *You simply cannot. That certainty leads me to draw the most bizarre estimates, specially knowing what "the grant wallahs" in Catalunya, Spain and the European Community want to see: PROFIT in CASH * "Why does everything have to have a value?" *Everything, even a dream has its intrinsic value for a creative mind. But all "the grant wallahs" want to see is HOW MUCH CASH is involved in a project and HOW MUCH PROFIT in CASH they´re gonna pocket back. Cultural Industries they call us. Anything we propose has to be technically productive in CASH. Nothing comes for free anymore for the tax payer. I think it´s obscene * *Best regards
Montserrat Bru http://surveys.polldaddy.com/s/0585AD78EB0ABF57/ * * On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Simon Biggs <[email protected]> wrote: > Artists are generally going into these situations looking for surprising > outcomes whilst scientists are often unsure what their value will be to > their work. Having done a few of these interdisciplinary collaborative > things this has been my experience. That said, many scientists are up for > unlikely outcomes of uncertain value. It is just that the way academic > research is funded there is this pressure to prove the economic and social > value of the probable outcomes well in advance of them coming into being. > These pressures function to pervert what research is all about > (finding/creating things you didn’t know you might find/create). How can you > know the value of something that doesn’t exist yet? Why does everything have > to have a value? Many artists and scientists prefer not to be concerned with > these things. Such considerations are imposed upon them. > > Regards > > Simon > > Simon Biggs > Research Professor > edinburgh college of art > [email protected] > www.eca.ac.uk > www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ > > [email protected] > www.littlepig.org.uk > AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk > > > ------------------------------ > *From: *james morris <[email protected]> > *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity < > [email protected]> > *Date: *Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:26:29 +0100 (BST) > *To: *<[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of > Things....ResearchOpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project] > > > On 25/6/2009, "Simon Biggs" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >recorded and all original material retained for peer assessment. This is > not > >foolproof (there are plenty of examples of poor science around) but nobody > >has proposed a better system yet. It is unusual for artistic work to be > >undertaken in this context but not novel. Otherâ•˙s have done it. It often > >leads to surprising outcomes, especially for the scientists. > > > > I'm interested to know what the nature of the surprising outcomes are > for scientists? (Are the artists less surprised by the outcomes?) > > > > > http://www.principlesofnature.net/gallery_of_selected_art_works/the_discreteness_of_infinity_art_science_parallels.htm > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2008/sep/02/darwinscanopy > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number > SC009201 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- Zumzum Gallery. Emerging Arts. India Digital Power Poetry project House 156. Anjuna Zoor Waddo Anjuna 403509 Goa. India India cell: +91 9850781599 Zumzum Gallery.Emerging Arts. Barcelona post address: Gràcia Fiscal, s.l. Camprodon 1 08012 Barcelona Spain Spain Cell: + 34 629486684 Zumzum Gallery. Emerging Arts. Holland post address: Anthonie Camerling 16 3322EA Dordrecht The Netherlands Holland Cell: + 31(0) 613539662 Skype: zumzumgallery http://www.zumzumgallery.com/ http://www.digitalpowerpoetry.com/ http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=29089193 http://montserratbru.blogspot.com/ [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]
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