I'm with you Marc, But.....everything is up for grabs. If an artist is to make 'artefact' within non multiplayer spaces (potentially small multiplayer; quake) then using an engine to produce is no difference from using , dunno Blender to produce. SL is challenged by Alan's activity. Open MMO's are enhanced by activity. This is a critical distinction. The activity /praxis within both 'tools for play' is subtly different. Again, over to Mr A. Sondheim
Best C -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marc garrett Sent: 06 October 2009 7:14 PM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] query (fwd) Hi Corrado, Alan & others, There is nothing that I actually disagree with here, but I cannot help feeling uncomfortable with the creative industries and corporate companies, hijacking or diverting media artists and related practices from working with more 'grass roots' platforms, even if they are glitchy and may not have the cash and the mass audiences out there. And yes, I understand most of the arguments which are pro SL from those artists who are exploring their own creative presences within it, and I have had quite a few discussions with Patrick Lichty on this very subject. Many of us use Facebook and other social networking platforms, but as far as I am concerned, I'd rather be part of an environment where those who share it actively are aware of the responsibilities of being indpendent and equally part of something special, other than a conveyor belt, money making machine. Your right - but that's part of the problem, everywhere... marc Indeedy... But, to lose, as Alan has mentioned the 'walk in crowd', which is a significant part of the engagement with the environment would be troublesome. There is a massive difference between an engine re-purposed to produce art-artefact (quake etc..) and using a virtual environment with all of it's issues. I have issues with SL's marketing and capital scheme, however that is intrinsic to working within it. I'm not sure what production within another 'environ' would mean. Sure, we can talk about the freeness of it, but working within a space with potentially 1265zillion users changes it bigtime. And learning a new set of tools in an environment that may not have the same discourse. This may seem churlish as I have not tried these vw's myself but SL, for all it's faults, has some significance. The nominal fee, which I'm not sure if Alan is at issue with, maybe more the fact that land (virtual) is more problematic. Alan...over to you. _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
