On 28/10/2009, "Michael Szpakowski" <[email protected]> wrote:

><"Our civilisation is fucked! What are we gonna
> do?" >
>Well if it is reducible to that, why didn't they just say that?

They're only human.

>And if that is all they meant, why are we worrying about *art* and not *doing* 
>something?

We're only human.

>I live for art but if I *am* in a boat going over a cataract I don't paint a 
>picture of it.

You're only human.

>The prolix style & ridiculously self-regarding and overheated tone came from 
>the manifesto, not Edward's clinical dissection of it. 

He's only human.

> I say clinical dissection, because although it's undoubtedly true that Edward 
> can *write* whereas these folk can't, I agree what matters is the ideas and, 
> far from a Canute moment, Edward assists us greatly here too although he 
> admittedly draws back from the obvious conclusion, which is that there is no 
> separation to be made between the tone of the manifesto & its content..

He's only human.

>The truth is the bombast is not accidental, but integral. It arises out of a 
>fundamental poverty of thought. The rotten style is a function of the 
>intellectual void at the heart of the whole enterprise.

It's only human.

>Civilisation bad? OK. Let's see them give up the internet, polio, smallpox and 
>TB vaccines, printing, film, anaesthetics, amplification, antibiotics, map 
>making, mathematics, musical instruments, a world governed by some attempt at 
>rationality and not ghosts, devils and malign Gods.

They're only human.

>Fuck it -let's give up the written word, which after all is an attribute of 
>civilisation. Let's return to a lifespan of 25-35 for most people, carried for 
>the most part in a desperate attempt at subsistence...

They're only human.

>Why not go even go further back in the search for a chimerical purity,  the 
>one that relieves us of the responsibility of actually *doing* anything that 
>might change anything, and give up cooking food.

It would be only human.

>Artistically the, quite random, privileging of "stories" could come straight 
>out of one of those expensive screenwriting courses which both contribute to 
>and in turn chart the market led corruption of the art of film...

It's only human.

>Just to be slightly more polemical, too, on the question of localism.

You're only human.

>To spell it out - who are the current most high profile proponents of the idea 
>of artistic localism in this country? - the bloody BNP, with their, in 
>fairiness unrequited, love affair with English folk music. Of course I'm not 
>accusing the manifesto authors of being soft on Nazism, just of a failure to 
>read history, to be even a tiny bit politically literate, to look and to think.

They're only human.

>I think you're right on your central point though, Bob -the manifesto does 
>essentially boil down to those two phrases, which is why it's a recipe for 
>utter political passivity with a couple of quite randomly subjective and 
>unthought out artistic afterthoughts bolted on.

That would be only human.

Regards,
The One True Human.
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