Hi Alan & all, These questions are pretty decent starters, warranting some serious and playful investigation.
I'm wondering what others may think themselves? Not necessarily in terms of my own, perhaps misplaced idea of what is 'authenticity'. But, in whatever words or notions, we consider or feel fits closest. For instance, many individuals engage with Netbehaviour not just because it is a tool, some motives are contextual; harbouring many different reasons of why we are here together - now, one obvious activity is that many on here share a dialogue. But, if we could see beyond the daily functions and motives, what would be left for us to understand between ourselves here and now, and how could we (possibly) mutually expand on 'whatever these things are'? So what's the spirit or kernel linking us, other than the network and the daily behaviours that we all share? Wishing all well. marc > > I think in the usual sense of the word, authenticity is more than > problematic - it's suspect. You can go all the way back to Warhol, you can > go through white jazz or blues, etc. - through Adorono - it's a mire. It > might be better to ask how art can function (yes, this brings up its own > problems) in a neoliberalist world - or what are the statuses of artworlds > for that matter? > > But there are also problems with 'simulacra,' which can be taken as a way > of avoiding what actually occurs for participants in given situations. If > you look at reality tv for example - which is of the spectacle, specular, > and a simulacrum in so many ways - you find labor, class, bodies behind > it. I worry about any categories; I recognize their academic use of > course, but they often seem to obscure in the long run. > > But then theory to me seems somewhat bankrupt itself... > > - Alan > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Simon Biggs wrote: > >> Interesting questions, especially how can art maintain its authenticity in a >> Neoliberalist world? >> >> The first step to addressing this might be to establish what you mean by >> authenticity, one of the most problematic concepts in our postmodern >> neo-liberalist world. Can anything be authentic? In a culture manifest as >> simulacra I wonder what answer might be determinable? >> >> Best >> >> Simon >> >> >> Simon Biggs >> [email protected] [email protected] >> Skype: simonbiggsuk >> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ >> >> Research Professor edinburgh college of art >> http://www.eca.ac.uk/ >> Creative Interdisciplinary Research in CoLlaborative Environments >> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >> Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice >> http://www.elmcip.net/ >> Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts >> http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts >> >> >>> From: marc garrett <[email protected]> >>> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>> <[email protected]> >>> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:49:15 +0100 >>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>> <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] From today... >>> >>> Hi Tom, >>> >>> No problem, I have posted a version of my reading list on here anyway. >>> >>> Perhaps you missed earlier chats with Alan regarding my course, its >>> subject and theme etc... >>> >>> ..."The programme of study falls under - Film/Television/Media Studies >>> Research. Although many individuals are studying digital, media art >>> within this framework of study. >>> >>> An edited intro... >>> >>> How artists engage in the process of taking control of the medium of >>> technology, and their own creative voice; is complicated and works at >>> many different degrees of self-agency and situation-based needs. The >>> Situationists in their own time had to bring about a completely new way >>> of being in the world. They changed habits and approaches to their own >>> art, introducing new territories of art practice, adapting and moving >>> their attention into the realms of film, book distribution and projects >>> (happening) in everyday culture. In light of Debord's statement "There >>> can be no freely spent time until we possess the modern tools for the >>> construction of everyday life. The use of such tools will mark the leap >>> from a utopian revolutionary art to an experimental revolutionary art. >>> >>> My starting question is - How can art maintain its authenticity in a >>> Neoliberalist world? >>> >>> It's a little bit more complex, but the above give's you some idea :-)" >>> >>> wishing you well. >>> >>> marc >>> >>> >>>> marc. >>>> I wasn't clear, when people say "what are you reading at such and >>> such a place" it means what's the course about, not literally "what ARE >>> you reading" >>>> :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 11/10/10, marc garrett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: marc garrett <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] From today... >>>> To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" >>> <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Monday, 11 October, 2010, 22:12 >>>> >>>> Hi Tom, >>>> >>>> For the sake of the Netbehaviour community I will send you a list >>>> 'personally', if you are interested. >>>> >>>> wishing you well. >>>> >>>> marc >>>>> Good for you! >>>>> What are you "reading" as posh people would say? >>>>> >>>>> tom >>>>> >>>>> On 11/10/2010 16:01, marc garrett wrote: >>>>>> Hi Netbehaviourists, >>>>>> >>>>>> From today... >>>>>> >>>>>> I am a student at Birkbeck University - a whole new experience >>> for me. >>>>>> It's good to become someone else again ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> marc >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> > > > == > email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > webpage http://www.alansondheim.org > music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > == > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
