It's not my business in a way, but I wonder if your discussion here shouldn't be off-list, especially with archiving etc.
- Alan On Sun, 12 Dec 2010, Simon Biggs wrote: > Yes, that's why I suggested not using your own IP, at least not without > masking (Tor). It will be traceable. However, it is open to question whether > a court could secure a conviction on the evidence of IP traces alone. > Personally, I wouldn't want to test the law. > > Best > > Simon > > > On 12/12/2010 12:26, "marc garrett" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Simon & all, >> >> Just getting back to the ealier part of the discussion here, relating to >> the Anonymous hacktivist movement who have been fighting for wikileaks. >> >> Found this info on Slashdot.org this morning which is pretty interesting... >> >> "For a number of days the websites of MasterCard, Visa, PayPal and >> others are attacked by a group of WikiLeaks supporters (hacktivists). >> Although the group calls itself 'Anonymous,' researchers at the DACS >> group of the University of Twente (UT), the Netherlands, discovered that >> these hacktivists are easy traceable (PDF) >> (http://www.simpleweb.org/reports/loic-report.pdf), and therefore >> anything but anonymous >> (http://www.utwente.nl/ewi/dacs/news/archive/2010/wikileaks.doc/index.html). >> The LOIC (Low Orbit Ion Cannon) software, which is used by the >> hacktivists, was analyzed by UT researchers, who concluded that the >> attacks generated by this tool are relatively simple and unveil the >> identity of the attacker. If hacktivists use this tool directly from >> their own machines, instead of via anonymization networks such as Tor, >> the Internet address of the attacker is included in every Internet >> message being transmitted. In the tools no sophisticated techniques are >> used, such as IP-spoofing, in which the source address of others is >> used, or reflected attacks, in which attacks go via third party systems. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/394t5ub >> >> wishing you well. >> >> marc >> >> >>> You can get 2 years for downloading DOS software and 10 years for >> using it. >>> People are going to be prosecuted and the courts will be pressured by >>> government to be tough with their sentencing. >>> >>> If anybody wants to be involved with anon-ops I would recommend using a >>> dedicated Mac with nothing important on the hard drive. Install and run >>> Parallels and run the DOS software within that. Make your contribution to >>> the activity. Then reformat your hard drive using a destructive wipe >> mode. >>> That will cover your tracks. As Mac OS cannot run the DOS software >> you have >>> a good defence - "I don't have a PC!" (who would have thought, >> another good >>> reason to buy a Mac). >>> >>> The only evidence the court would have will be datalogs from your IP. >> This >>> is not a smoking gun. If you do not want to have this trace then use a >>> public IP somewhere, then move on. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> >>> On 11/12/2010 10:24, "marc garrett" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>>> Angles On Anonymous. >>>> >>>> "A number of readers are sending in links related to Anonymous, the >>>> Internet phenomenon < don't call them a group < behind the controversial >>>> DDoS attacks on commercial entities that fail to support WikiLeaks. The >>>> best insight into Anonymous comes from the Economist's Babbage blogger, >>>> who hung out in one of their IRC channels >>>> (http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2010/12/more_wikileaks). Reader >>>> nk497 points out that UK users looking to join Anonymous's DDoS army >>>> should be aware they could face a jail term of up to two years >>>> >> (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security/363523/wikileaks-protest-tool-could-carr >>>> y-two-year-jail-stretch); >>>> simply downloading the LOIC software used in the DDoSing could suffice >>>> to earn a conviction. One 16-year-old has been arrested >>>> >> (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/first-arrest-made-in-wikileak >>>> s-revenge-attacks.ars) >>>> in The Netherlands and is charged with participating in the DDoS. Reader >>>> ancientribe sends in coverage of a claim by one security outfit that >>>> several existing criminal botnets have joined forces >>>> >> (http://www.darkreading.com/database-security/167901020/security/attacks-breac >>>> hes/228800076/botnet-operators-set-to-join-operation-payback.html) >>>> with Anonymous's Operation: Payback. And reader Stoobalou notes a >>>> Thing.co.uk story on a manifesto of sorts >>>> >> (http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/12/10/who-are-anonymous-and-what-do-they-want/) >>>> that purports to come from "ANON OPS," even though Anonymous disclaims >>>> any central spokesperson or entity - press release here >>>> (http://dump.no/files/467072ba2a42/ANONOPS_The_Press_Release.pdf) PDF." >>>> From Slashdot.org >>>> >>>> wishing you well. >>>> >>>> marc >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >>> >>> Simon Biggs >>> [email protected] [email protected] >>> Skype: simonbiggsuk >>> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ >>> >>> Research Professor edinburgh college of art >>> http://www.eca.ac.uk/ >>> Creative Interdisciplinary Research in CoLlaborative Environments >>> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >>> Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice >>> http://www.elmcip.net/ >>> Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts >>> http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts >>> >>> >>> >>> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, >> number SC009201 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > Best > > Simon > > [email protected] > http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ > > [email protected] > http://www.elmcip.net/ > http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ > > > > Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number > SC009201 > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://www.alansondheim.org music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/qv.txt == _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
