quoting from "dirty tricks and nimbys..." http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/936610
--- "Wikileaks may not be the most ideal environment to free information and the response from all sides in this information war may not be the most logical, but that's just human nature - it's written all over our history. "Information wants to be free... but not in my back yard? "That's the worry - if we truly want information to be free, we have to accept that our personal information is part and parcel of that freedom - alas, we still hide behind anonymity - and therin lies the ultimate irony. "We're more than willing to cheer as private information in the affairs of our world order are revealed, but less so when our own private information is accessible. --- On 12 December 2010 13:12, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It's not my business in a way, but I wonder if your discussion here > shouldn't be off-list, especially with archiving etc. > > - Alan > > On Sun, 12 Dec 2010, Simon Biggs wrote: > >> Yes, that's why I suggested not using your own IP, at least not without >> masking (Tor). It will be traceable. However, it is open to question whether >> a court could secure a conviction on the evidence of IP traces alone. >> Personally, I wouldn't want to test the law. >> >> Best >> >> Simon >> >> >> On 12/12/2010 12:26, "marc garrett" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Simon & all, >>> >>> Just getting back to the ealier part of the discussion here, relating to >>> the Anonymous hacktivist movement who have been fighting for wikileaks. >>> >>> Found this info on Slashdot.org this morning which is pretty interesting... >>> >>> "For a number of days the websites of MasterCard, Visa, PayPal and >>> others are attacked by a group of WikiLeaks supporters (hacktivists). >>> Although the group calls itself 'Anonymous,' researchers at the DACS >>> group of the University of Twente (UT), the Netherlands, discovered that >>> these hacktivists are easy traceable (PDF) >>> (http://www.simpleweb.org/reports/loic-report.pdf), and therefore >>> anything but anonymous >>> (http://www.utwente.nl/ewi/dacs/news/archive/2010/wikileaks.doc/index.html). >>> The LOIC (Low Orbit Ion Cannon) software, which is used by the >>> hacktivists, was analyzed by UT researchers, who concluded that the >>> attacks generated by this tool are relatively simple and unveil the >>> identity of the attacker. If hacktivists use this tool directly from >>> their own machines, instead of via anonymization networks such as Tor, >>> the Internet address of the attacker is included in every Internet >>> message being transmitted. In the tools no sophisticated techniques are >>> used, such as IP-spoofing, in which the source address of others is >>> used, or reflected attacks, in which attacks go via third party systems. >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/394t5ub >>> >>> wishing you well. >>> >>> marc >>> >>> >>>> You can get 2 years for downloading DOS software and 10 years for >>> using it. >>>> People are going to be prosecuted and the courts will be pressured by >>>> government to be tough with their sentencing. >>>> >>>> If anybody wants to be involved with anon-ops I would recommend using a >>>> dedicated Mac with nothing important on the hard drive. Install and run >>>> Parallels and run the DOS software within that. Make your contribution to >>>> the activity. Then reformat your hard drive using a destructive wipe >>> mode. >>>> That will cover your tracks. As Mac OS cannot run the DOS software >>> you have >>>> a good defence - "I don't have a PC!" (who would have thought, >>> another good >>>> reason to buy a Mac). >>>> >>>> The only evidence the court would have will be datalogs from your IP. >>> This >>>> is not a smoking gun. If you do not want to have this trace then use a >>>> public IP somewhere, then move on. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Simon >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/12/2010 10:24, "marc garrett" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Angles On Anonymous. >>>>> >>>>> "A number of readers are sending in links related to Anonymous, the >>>>> Internet phenomenon < don't call them a group < behind the controversial >>>>> DDoS attacks on commercial entities that fail to support WikiLeaks. The >>>>> best insight into Anonymous comes from the Economist's Babbage blogger, >>>>> who hung out in one of their IRC channels >>>>> (http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2010/12/more_wikileaks). Reader >>>>> nk497 points out that UK users looking to join Anonymous's DDoS army >>>>> should be aware they could face a jail term of up to two years >>>>> >>> (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security/363523/wikileaks-protest-tool-could-carr >>>>> y-two-year-jail-stretch); >>>>> simply downloading the LOIC software used in the DDoSing could suffice >>>>> to earn a conviction. One 16-year-old has been arrested >>>>> >>> (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/first-arrest-made-in-wikileak >>>>> s-revenge-attacks.ars) >>>>> in The Netherlands and is charged with participating in the DDoS. Reader >>>>> ancientribe sends in coverage of a claim by one security outfit that >>>>> several existing criminal botnets have joined forces >>>>> >>> (http://www.darkreading.com/database-security/167901020/security/attacks-breac >>>>> hes/228800076/botnet-operators-set-to-join-operation-payback.html) >>>>> with Anonymous's Operation: Payback. And reader Stoobalou notes a >>>>> Thing.co.uk story on a manifesto of sorts >>>>> >>> (http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/12/10/who-are-anonymous-and-what-do-they-want/) >>>>> that purports to come from "ANON OPS," even though Anonymous disclaims >>>>> any central spokesperson or entity - press release here >>>>> (http://dump.no/files/467072ba2a42/ANONOPS_The_Press_Release.pdf) PDF." >>>>> From Slashdot.org >>>>> >>>>> wishing you well. >>>>> >>>>> marc >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>> >>>> >>>> Simon Biggs >>>> [email protected] [email protected] >>>> Skype: simonbiggsuk >>>> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ >>>> >>>> Research Professor edinburgh college of art >>>> http://www.eca.ac.uk/ >>>> Creative Interdisciplinary Research in CoLlaborative Environments >>>> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >>>> Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice >>>> http://www.elmcip.net/ >>>> Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts >>>> http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, >>> number SC009201 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> Best >> >> Simon >> >> [email protected] >> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ >> >> [email protected] >> http://www.elmcip.net/ >> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >> >> >> >> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number >> SC009201 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> > > > == > email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > webpage http://www.alansondheim.org > music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/qv.txt > == > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- _ : http://jwm-art.net/ -audio/image/text/code/ _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
