It became about something more important than griefing and spam. IP and money came into the picture and, eventually, lawyers. It was a mess and NN came out of it on the sticky end.
best Simon On 9 Sep 2011, at 18:44, Paul Hertz wrote: > As someone who was on the Cycling74 list for the whole sweep of NN's > intervention, what strikes me was how variable the messages were. If (her) > intervention had been purely an effort to spam, NN would have been booted > immediately. But NN was inventive, frequently a very useful contributor, and > even the spammy bits were charged with a degree of humor: pickled theory > generated by a textbot. > > Of course it got hard to take, and the gradually escalating feuding poisoned > the list, in the end displacing all the mostly welcome or merely irritating > posts. > > -- Paul > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Simon Biggs <si...@littlepig.org.uk> wrote: > Who was voting? There was a period, back when NN was active, when the Net was > smaller and less commercialised. In that context a certain sample of users > would have known NN and voted for her. Nowadays the net is a different > universe, dominated by big business and government policy. It is only going > to be more like that. It is the infrastructure of the knowledge economy - and > government and business have a particular understanding of what the term > economy means: making money and creating jobs/consumers. As I often work at > the juncture of academic research (into the internet), government policy and > commercial development it is clear to me that the net's future is nothing > like its past - and the future is now. > > My students have little or no knowledge of the early net. They know it > through Facebook, Twitter, blogs, BBC, apps and other commercial and/or > custom portals. They haven't the faintest what The Well is, much less > Nettime, Thing or 7-11. In the case of 7-11 you cannot teach them about it as > the archives and other traces have been so effectively removed. Only > individual artist's documentation exists - but that isn't the same. 7-11 was > a creative community/happening and it would be great to present it as it was > then, in its entirety. I only have my own archive (probably 25% of the > material) to show them. > > Many of our researchers also have little knowledge of these early examples of > net culture. Some do (the artists, media nuts, anthropologists, etc) but > those working between academe and industry (which is most) simply aren't > interested. They see the net as the saviour of TV and publishing. They > recognise it is fundamentally different - but their response is not to > consider cultural alternatives but to work out new business models (eg: > social media means social gaming linked to a network TV series). I'm sorry it > is like that, but it's how it is. At this point we probably need an > under-net, and it is possible that list serves (like usenet, almost a subject > for media archeology) are that. > > Ana is right that list serves are dying. The number of people on the net has > exploded but the numbers using list serves have shrunk. Many artistic > communities that once communicated via list serves have moved to blog, nings > or Facebook groups. Google+ Circles, despite the failure of Google Wave, are > the next development. Alan, you make good use of that... > > best > > Simon > > > On 9 Sep 2011, at 17:48, Alan Sondheim wrote: > > > > > > > She was actually voted one of the 25 most important women on the Net. I > > had some dealing with her. And everyone I knew, knew her - she might have > > been better known in the US; NATO55 was in a lot of places. > > > > On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Simon Biggs wrote: > > > >> Seems to overstate both the worth of turn of the Century network culture > >> (we are talking about a few hundred people here on a list serve or two) > >> and NN. More like a sub-cultural splinter group... Of all the people on > >> the internet I doubt more than 0.01% have ever heard of NN. Hardly > >> infamous. > >> > >> (but as NN is eternally prescient I am sure I will now be burned to a > >> crisp ;) > >> > >> best > >> > >> Simon > >> > >> > >> On 9 Sep 2011, at 14:25, marc garrett wrote: > >> > >>> Netochka Nezvanova. > >>> > >>> One of the most famous and infamous EccentricCharacters in > >>> turn?of?the?21st Century Western artistic NetworkCulture, Netochka > >>> Nezvanova (aka N.N., antiorp, integer, Irena Sabine Czubera) remains an > >>> enigma to many. Widely believed to be an IdentityCollective?, Netochka > >>> Nezvanova is a PenName named after the title character in [an early > >>> unfinished Fyodor Dostoevsky novel] whose name means "nameless nobody" > >>> in Russian. The identity always presents itself as female, though it may > >>> not be in reality. Despite the meaning of her moniker, N.N. has coveted > >>> attention and recognition like few others on the Internet. > >>> > >>> http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/NetochkaNezvanova > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NetBehaviour mailing list > >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >>> > >> > >> > >> Simon Biggs | si...@littlepig.org.uk | www.littlepig.org.uk > >> > >> s.bi...@ed.ac.uk | Edinburgh College of Art | University of Edinburgh > >> www.eca.ac.uk/circle | www.elmcip.net | www.movingtargets.co.uk > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NetBehaviour mailing list > >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >> > >> > > > > == > > eyebeam: http://eyebeam.org/blogs/alansondheim/ > > email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 > > music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/re.txt > > == > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > Simon Biggs | si...@littlepig.org.uk | www.littlepig.org.uk > > s.bi...@ed.ac.uk | Edinburgh College of Art | University of Edinburgh > www.eca.ac.uk/circle | www.elmcip.net | www.movingtargets.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > -- > ----- |(*,+,#,=)(#,=,*,+)(=,#,+,*)(+,*,=,#)| --- > http://ignotus.com > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Simon Biggs | si...@littlepig.org.uk | www.littlepig.org.uk s.bi...@ed.ac.uk | Edinburgh College of Art | University of Edinburgh www.eca.ac.uk/circle | www.elmcip.net | www.movingtargets.co.uk
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