As someone who was on the Cycling74 list for the whole sweep of NN's intervention, what strikes me was how variable the messages were. If (her) intervention had been purely an effort to spam, NN would have been booted immediately. But NN was inventive, frequently a very useful contributor, and even the spammy bits were charged with a degree of humor: pickled theory generated by a textbot.
Of course it got hard to take, and the gradually escalating feuding poisoned the list, in the end displacing all the mostly welcome or merely irritating posts. -- Paul On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Simon Biggs <[email protected]> wrote: > Who was voting? There was a period, back when NN was active, when the Net > was smaller and less commercialised. In that context a certain sample of > users would have known NN and voted for her. Nowadays the net is a different > universe, dominated by big business and government policy. It is only going > to be more like that. It is the infrastructure of the knowledge economy - > and government and business have a particular understanding of what the term > economy means: making money and creating jobs/consumers. As I often work at > the juncture of academic research (into the internet), government policy and > commercial development it is clear to me that the net's future is nothing > like its past - and the future is now. > > My students have little or no knowledge of the early net. They know it > through Facebook, Twitter, blogs, BBC, apps and other commercial and/or > custom portals. They haven't the faintest what The Well is, much less > Nettime, Thing or 7-11. In the case of 7-11 you cannot teach them about it > as the archives and other traces have been so effectively removed. Only > individual artist's documentation exists - but that isn't the same. 7-11 was > a creative community/happening and it would be great to present it as it was > then, in its entirety. I only have my own archive (probably 25% of the > material) to show them. > > Many of our researchers also have little knowledge of these early examples > of net culture. Some do (the artists, media nuts, anthropologists, etc) but > those working between academe and industry (which is most) simply aren't > interested. They see the net as the saviour of TV and publishing. They > recognise it is fundamentally different - but their response is not to > consider cultural alternatives but to work out new business models (eg: > social media means social gaming linked to a network TV series). I'm sorry > it is like that, but it's how it is. At this point we probably need an > under-net, and it is possible that list serves (like usenet, almost a > subject for media archeology) are that. > > Ana is right that list serves are dying. The number of people on the net > has exploded but the numbers using list serves have shrunk. Many artistic > communities that once communicated via list serves have moved to blog, nings > or Facebook groups. Google+ Circles, despite the failure of Google Wave, are > the next development. Alan, you make good use of that... > > best > > Simon > > > On 9 Sep 2011, at 17:48, Alan Sondheim wrote: > > > > > > > She was actually voted one of the 25 most important women on the Net. I > > had some dealing with her. And everyone I knew, knew her - she might have > > been better known in the US; NATO55 was in a lot of places. > > > > On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Simon Biggs wrote: > > > >> Seems to overstate both the worth of turn of the Century network culture > (we are talking about a few hundred people here on a list serve or two) and > NN. More like a sub-cultural splinter group... Of all the people on the > internet I doubt more than 0.01% have ever heard of NN. Hardly infamous. > >> > >> (but as NN is eternally prescient I am sure I will now be burned to a > crisp ;) > >> > >> best > >> > >> Simon > >> > >> > >> On 9 Sep 2011, at 14:25, marc garrett wrote: > >> > >>> Netochka Nezvanova. > >>> > >>> One of the most famous and infamous EccentricCharacters in > >>> turn?of?the?21st Century Western artistic NetworkCulture, Netochka > >>> Nezvanova (aka N.N., antiorp, integer, Irena Sabine Czubera) remains an > >>> enigma to many. Widely believed to be an IdentityCollective?, Netochka > >>> Nezvanova is a PenName named after the title character in [an early > >>> unfinished Fyodor Dostoevsky novel] whose name means "nameless nobody" > >>> in Russian. The identity always presents itself as female, though it > may > >>> not be in reality. Despite the meaning of her moniker, N.N. has coveted > >>> attention and recognition like few others on the Internet. > >>> > >>> http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/NetochkaNezvanova > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NetBehaviour mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >>> > >> > >> > >> Simon Biggs | [email protected] | www.littlepig.org.uk > >> > >> [email protected] | Edinburgh College of Art | University of Edinburgh > >> www.eca.ac.uk/circle | www.elmcip.net | www.movingtargets.co.uk > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NetBehaviour mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >> > >> > > > > == > > eyebeam: http://eyebeam.org/blogs/alansondheim/ > > email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 > > music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/re.txt > > == > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > Simon Biggs | [email protected] | www.littlepig.org.uk > > [email protected] | Edinburgh College of Art | University of Edinburgh > www.eca.ac.uk/circle | www.elmcip.net | www.movingtargets.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- ----- |(*,+,#,=)(#,=,*,+)(=,#,+,*)(+,*,=,#)| --- http://ignotus.com
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