Dibbell was writing about a MOO, Lambda MOO, somewhat different. I was a
wizard on a couple and ran one out of the New School and we had running
for the Cybermind conference. Right now I usually have one running in
linux for language processing; they're lightweight and can be used for
amazing textual manipulation/creation.
- ALan
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Ana Vald?s wrote:
Does someone remember the MUDS? I was in one of them, invited by Howard
Rheingold, one of the real old timers, founder of the Wall and of a lot of
interesting communities, as Electric Minds.
People interacted at the MUDS in a similar way they do in Facebook or Second
Life.
I like Julian Dibbells book about the life inside a MUD :)
Ana
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Paul Hertz <[email protected]> wrote:
As someone who was on the Cycling74 list for the whole sweep of
NN's intervention, what strikes me was how variable the messages
were. If (her) intervention had been purely an effort to spam,
NN would have been booted immediately. But NN was inventive,
frequently a very useful contributor, and even the spammy bits
were charged with a degree of humor: pickled theory generated by
a textbot.
Of course it got hard to take, and the gradually escalating
feuding poisoned the list, in the end displacing all the mostly
welcome or merely irritating posts.
-- Paul
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Simon Biggs <[email protected]>
wrote:
Who was voting? There was a period, back when NN was
active, when the Net was smaller and less commercialised.
In that context a certain sample of users would have known
NN and voted for her. Nowadays the net is a different
universe, dominated by big business and government policy.
It is only going to be more like that. It is the
infrastructure of the knowledge economy - and government
and business have a particular understanding of what the
term economy means: making money and creating
jobs/consumers. As I often work at the juncture of
academic research (into the internet), government policy
and commercial development it is clear to me that the
net's future is nothing like its past - and the future is
now.
My students have little or no knowledge of the early net.
They know it through Facebook, Twitter, blogs, BBC, apps
and other commercial and/or custom portals. They haven't
the faintest what The Well is, much less Nettime, Thing or
7-11. In the case of 7-11 you cannot teach them about it
as the archives and other traces have been so effectively
removed. Only individual artist's documentation exists -
but that isn't the same. 7-11 was a creative
community/happening and it would be great to present it as
it was then, in its entirety. I only have my own archive
(probably 25% of the material) to show them.
Many of our researchers also have little knowledge of
these early examples of net culture. Some do (the artists,
media nuts, anthropologists, etc) but those working
between academe and industry (which is most) simply aren't
interested. They see the net as the saviour of TV and
publishing. They recognise it is fundamentally different -
but their response is not to consider cultural
alternatives but to work out new business models (eg:
social media means social gaming linked to a network TV
series). I'm sorry it is like that, but it's how it is. At
this point we probably need an under-net, and it is
possible that list serves (like usenet, almost a subject
for media archeology) are that.
Ana is right that list serves are dying. The number of
people on the net has exploded but the numbers using list
serves have shrunk. Many artistic communities that once
communicated via list serves have moved to blog, nings or
Facebook groups. Google+ Circles, despite the failure of
Google Wave, are the next development. Alan, you make good
use of that...
best
Simon
On 9 Sep 2011, at 17:48, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>
>
> She was actually voted one of the 25 most important women on
the Net. I
> had some dealing with her. And everyone I knew, knew her - she
might have
> been better known in the US; NATO55 was in a lot of places.
>
> On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Simon Biggs wrote:
>
>> Seems to overstate both the worth of turn of the Century
network culture (we are talking about a few hundred people here
on a list serve or two) and NN. More like a sub-cultural
splinter group... Of all the people on the internet I doubt more
than 0.01% have ever heard of NN. Hardly infamous.
>>
>> (but as NN is eternally prescient I am sure I will now be
burned to a crisp ;)
>>
>> best
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> On 9 Sep 2011, at 14:25, marc garrett wrote:
>>
>>> Netochka Nezvanova.
>>>
>>> One of the most famous and infamous EccentricCharacters in
>>> turn?of?the?21st Century Western artistic NetworkCulture,
Netochka
>>> Nezvanova (aka N.N., antiorp, integer, Irena Sabine Czubera)
remains an
>>> enigma to many. Widely believed to be an
IdentityCollective?, Netochka
>>> Nezvanova is a PenName named after the title character in
[an early
>>> unfinished Fyodor Dostoevsky novel] whose name means
"nameless nobody"
>>> in Russian. The identity always presents itself as female,
though it may
>>> not be in reality. Despite the meaning of her moniker, N.N.
has coveted
>>> attention and recognition like few others on the Internet.
>>>
>>> http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/NetochkaNezvanova
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>>
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