I'm not sure how that was decided, i.e. her importance. Universities here tended to know her by which I mean media people.
Of course the net's different but not all that different - I think of Wikileaks for example. It's just that a lot of the edgier stuff has gone underground which is natural; the demographics favors of course average users for whom Fb or + are gods of sorts. You're right about students not knowing the early net, but that's also the job of universities, to critically deepen the understanding of tools and conditions we're working with/under. Usenet's an obvious example. Fidonet's an example of a different form of organization for social media - and one that might become increasingly necessary in the future. I do use Fb a lot, as well as the lounge.espdisk.com blog, Eyebeam's blog, who knows what else, + I guess. But it's my understanding, say, of the phenomenology and promise of lists that makes me able to deal critically with them. I do wonder what the stats are for email lists and how they're gathered - do you know? A list like Poetics is going full blast, although I have problems with what 'going' means in that context. I'm also curious about IRC stats and newsgroups, since some of the last are functioning on a highly technical level. Finally, I find it problematic that you find the net 'dominated by big business, etc., that is going to be more like that' (pardon the bad quoting). I don't feel any of us know how things are going to develop; we all have our contacts, habitus, invisible colleges, networkings, etc., and radically different experiences and predictions as a result. I see a far more open source and open net coming, but then I'm dealing with AR and at Eyebeam, hactivism people. I think the net in fact is getting too large to characterize uniformly, just as "America" tends to resist (at least from inside) generality, beyond the problematic of formal governance. - Alan On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Simon Biggs wrote: > Who was voting? There was a period, back when NN was active, when the > Net was smaller and less commercialised. In that context a certain > sample of users would have known NN and voted for her. Nowadays the net > is a different universe, dominated by big business and government > policy. It is only going to be more like that. It is the infrastructure > of the knowledge economy - and government and business have a particular > understanding of what the term economy means: making money and creating > jobs/consumers. As I often work at the juncture of academic research > (into the internet), government policy and commercial development it is > clear to me that the net's future is nothing like its past - and the > future is now. > > My students have little or no knowledge of the early net. They know it > through Facebook, Twitter, blogs, BBC, apps and other commercial and/or > custom portals. They haven't the faintest what The Well is, much less > Nettime, Thing or 7-11. In the case of 7-11 you cannot teach them about > it as the archives and other traces have been so effectively removed. > Only individual artist's documentation exists - but that isn't the same. > 7-11 was a creative community/happening and it would be great to present > it as it was then, in its entirety. I only have my own archive (probably > 25% of the material) to show them. > > Many of our researchers also have little knowledge of these early > examples of net culture. Some do (the artists, media nuts, > anthropologists, etc) but those working between academe and industry > (which is most) simply aren't interested. They see the net as the > saviour of TV and publishing. They recognise it is fundamentally > different - but their response is not to consider cultural alternatives > but to work out new business models (eg: social media means social > gaming linked to a network TV series). I'm sorry it is like that, but > it's how it is. At this point we probably need an under-net, and it is > possible that list serves (like usenet, almost a subject for media > archeology) are that. > > Ana is right that list serves are dying. The number of people on the net > has exploded but the numbers using list serves have shrunk. Many > artistic communities that once communicated via list serves have moved > to blog, nings or Facebook groups. Google+ Circles, despite the failure > of Google Wave, are the next development. Alan, you make good use of > that... > > best > > Simon > > > On 9 Sep 2011, at 17:48, Alan Sondheim wrote: > >> >> >> She was actually voted one of the 25 most important women on the Net. I >> had some dealing with her. And everyone I knew, knew her - she might have >> been better known in the US; NATO55 was in a lot of places. >> >> On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Simon Biggs wrote: >> >>> Seems to overstate both the worth of turn of the Century network culture >>> (we are talking about a few hundred people here on a list serve or two) and >>> NN. More like a sub-cultural splinter group... Of all the people on the >>> internet I doubt more than 0.01% have ever heard of NN. Hardly infamous. >>> >>> (but as NN is eternally prescient I am sure I will now be burned to a crisp >>> ;) >>> >>> best >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> >>> On 9 Sep 2011, at 14:25, marc garrett wrote: >>> >>>> Netochka Nezvanova. >>>> >>>> One of the most famous and infamous EccentricCharacters in >>>> turn?of?the?21st Century Western artistic NetworkCulture, Netochka >>>> Nezvanova (aka N.N., antiorp, integer, Irena Sabine Czubera) remains an >>>> enigma to many. Widely believed to be an IdentityCollective?, Netochka >>>> Nezvanova is a PenName named after the title character in [an early >>>> unfinished Fyodor Dostoevsky novel] whose name means "nameless nobody" >>>> in Russian. The identity always presents itself as female, though it may >>>> not be in reality. Despite the meaning of her moniker, N.N. has coveted >>>> attention and recognition like few others on the Internet. >>>> >>>> http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/NetochkaNezvanova >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>> >>> >>> >>> Simon Biggs | [email protected] | www.littlepig.org.uk >>> >>> [email protected] | Edinburgh College of Art | University of Edinburgh >>> www.eca.ac.uk/circle | www.elmcip.net | www.movingtargets.co.uk >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >>> >> >> == >> eyebeam: http://eyebeam.org/blogs/alansondheim/ >> email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ >> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 >> music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ >> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/re.txt >> == >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > > Simon Biggs | [email protected] | www.littlepig.org.uk > > [email protected] | Edinburgh College of Art | University of Edinburgh > www.eca.ac.uk/circle | www.elmcip.net | www.movingtargets.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > == eyebeam: http://eyebeam.org/blogs/alansondheim/ email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/re.txt == _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
