You,actually wrote nonsense.If you tell us that you've support Bosnian fight for freedom you should tell us which Bosnia.Theres/there was in that time you talking about...and still is/for your information/Bosnia who 'belong' to Serbs- Republika Srpska, Bosnia who 'belong' to Muslims/so called Muslim Entity/ and part of Bosnia 'draft' by Croatian .You just can't tell which *freedom*you have been support because there's no Serb Orthodox Freedom,there's no Muslims Muslim freedom and theres no Croatian Catholic freedom.For clever man that quantity of inforamtions could be more than enough.For dilettante as you are all books on the world about that issue won't be enough.Secret is in beginning...MANIK...SEPTEMBER...2011... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Biggs" <[email protected]> To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History
...and indicative of how history repeats itself. I am sure that (whilst most, if not all, of us on this list are to the left) there are mixed opinions over what has happened in Libya and what should be done (for example) in Syria or Palestine or, for that matter, how we should handle the current sovereign debt crisis. In the 1990's emotions ran high over what happened as Yugoslavia broke up. Sometimes, even when you didn't seek it, you ended up on one side or another. I supported Bosnia's bid for freedom and got involved in initiatives there, as well as helping out refugees in the UK. I also chose to show my work in Slovenia and Croatia during the period of the Balkan wars, again because I supported their independence. However, I doubt I'd have worked in Serbia during that period (I've shown work there since 2000). Some people had an issue with that at that time, including friends. Some probably still would. I was in Zagreb a few weeks ago and was struck how that conflict is still raw and live. However, the big debate was not about the war but about whether Croatia should join the EU. Some people I spoke with said they would like to see the old Yugoslavia back and consider Serbia as their natural partner (and the EU, dominated by Germany, as their foe). I know the history there is extremely complex. We have (since the 19th Century) the English verb "Balkanise" (to fragment and engender conflict in something), indicating that this is not a recent phenomenon. The word has its roots in the conflict between the Ottomans and Austro-Hungarians and thus, in a way, the situation goes back to the division of the Roman Empire into Eastern and Western zones. That is getting on for two millennia ago. That's a lot of baggage. best Simon On 10 Sep 2011, at 15:17, marc garrett wrote: > Hi Andrej, > > What I found strange, is that I have met you personally and know that > the picture painted of you at the time is completely different... > > Some have asked why is it being discussed now - as in the NN thing? > > I am not sure how to answer this, other than, it was part of my own > networked history also and it is one of those moments in time that > younger generations should observe and then consider themselves, on > their own terms - reflection is an important thing... > > chat again. > > marc > >> Hi Marc, >> >>> I was on Syndicate around this time - still on the list & have had all >>> kinds of discussions through the years - mostly pretty tense. >> >> I know you were around Syndicate at that time, like most of the > NetBehaviour >> list members, at Nettime too, I am still at Syndicate list, but was > kicked >> from Nettime back in 1998 as I documented in my Horror Net.Art History. >> >>> I am wondering how you feel now that time has passed - what have you >>> learned this period and if the same thing happened now, would you react >>> differently? >> >> I feel still bitterness, betrayed and disappointed after that what has >> happened >> at Nettime, but I am glad that those crooks have shown their real faces >> then, and that public is aware of that. I think nothing has changed since >> then. Before it was Yugoslavia, later Iraq, Afghanistan, now it is Libya, >> Egypt, Syria etc. Soros, CIA, MI6 and Al-Qaeda are doing their dirty > job. I >> keep on reacting, maybe in a more subtle way. >> >> >>> wishing you well. >> >> Wish you well too. >> Andrej >> >> >>> marc >>>> Reminder of Nettime, Syndicate ... and Netochka Nezvanova >>>> >>>> http://www.atisma.com/webart/netart%20history/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > Simon Biggs | [email protected] | www.littlepig.org.uk [email protected] | Edinburgh College of Art | University of Edinburgh www.eca.ac.uk/circle | www.elmcip.net | www.movingtargets.co.uk _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
