Hi, You ask Manik to be friendly and hit the other side with fake stone.That's way we could make 'SIMULACRUM'/J.Baudrillard/and after few replica everione's happy and go home.But my home is devasted by people like Mr.Bigss.I'm happy to have material relevant for questions I mentioned here and i hoppe you remember who was first who hit football?Of course I didn't want to insult particular Mr.Bigss and make trouble on 'netbehaviour'.I thought when I saw all that *Nietochka talk* that i can express my self as she did:direct,sharp,often rough...But who am I?Even now...In his responde Mr.Bigs talk about Libya and Palestine/he forgot Syria/...Talk about his experiance in Bosnia but never mentioned Yugoslavia.That's methode in which 'you' give 8 half truth and 2 lie.Because 8 half truth help people to swallow 2 lie.Buteway- only those 2 lie are important and all action is taken to place them. Best wishes ...MANIK...SEPTEMBER...2011...
----- Original Message ----- From: "marc garrett" <[email protected]> To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History Hi Manik, You have made some extremely important & valid points. I wasn't there, and I would not dare to presume what it was like for you, your family & friends. I am very sure that Simon did not mean to insult you, and if he did it was not his intention. And of course, it is essential that everyone has a chance to get their voice heard, here & anywhere else. Which is why this is an open list. I'm just wondering if there is a chance of a less 'aggressive' debate, so Simon or anyone else is able to respond to your comments, and ask questions and share your knowledge? I am not against you - I just want people to be able too explore each other's 'real' contexts mutually & respectfully - on each other's terms. This is an unmoderated list, and sometimes it does get quite heated on here, which is fine, but every now and then it gets tough. We can only keep this list open for everyone, if others are open themselves in allowing it to be so. We are all different, and each have experiences that others may not immediately either know about, or understand. I recently offended someone without meaning to who is still on this list (I think) - and it is really easy to do without even knowing it. Sometimes it can come down to nuance of language, context, different beliefs, ideas and intentions. So, without wishing to offend, I am just asking for the sake of the list if people can be little more understanding of others before they jump in so aggressively, with more discussion, play, critical self-reflection, and all that stuff - it sounds a bit hippy'ish I know - be we've got to start somewhere... marc > ...you ask is that excuse to kill in Libya but not in Syria or vice > verse!...you never ask your self what-a-fuck your people doing in > Libya,Syria,EX-Yugoslavia,West Africa...!?!no professor!NATO is heap of > professional killer who work for decadent West because West have no idea > how > to survive without WAR as best market investment...West is full of people > like you who are intellectual miscarriage full of false questions and far > away from any ethic consideration of recent happenings in world...your > question should be :what can i do to stop that hypocrisy when best armed > power on the world/NATO/ kill all over the world,what can i do to stop > them > to destroy Others way of live,Others life,Others children life,Other > material goods?for tiny and noneducated *me* who couldn't understand > fucking > nothin even if that 'nothing'fall om your head as clear sentence...what > can > i/*you*/ do to tell to my pupil what's real problem in our world > today...not > to spread lie in my own body and soul like hardest poison/is that good to > support *Bosnia*for example)which fuck Bosnia?...did you ever hear i say > that i use to support UK...and to hear from you- which > UK:Scotland,Irish,Shetland ...why you are you so rude and have no > upbringing > to shut-fuck-up when adult talk.what's your idea about racism? you think > Obama is USA president,situation in world's change because of that...you > 'have eye to see nothing'/Lacan/...Obama is president and he has Nobel > price > for piece because West want to destroy African way of life and Obama is > Troy > horse for Afro-americans because he's black and Africans who believe in > Obama honesty...there's no honesty in politics even non-educated > ''professor'' like you are should know that...inplantate them > their*democracy*,install their second hand class of managers/garbage from > your bureau for workess, ambassador who can't properly wipe ass and who > are > so stupid that land become red-shame when they walk on...West is worst > world > destroyer and social riot in West are so funny because WE /people under > ocupation,we -slave of West retrograde slave-owned-ideology work for > West...we pay your bills...but you want more and more...material goods > instead to demand work where you could earn for living without > exploitation > of rest of the world...West have philosopher Zizek who say 'NATO is left > hand of God',who say 'there's some divine justice in NATO bombing > Serbia...Stupid motherfucker-what if NATO put some bomb on his > Slovenia...West get most of heroine from Kosovo /part of Serbia/under USA > occupation than ever...it's very lucrative business for USA because human > garbage/drugs addict/pay for their death,they are not-wanted in racist USA > society,dealer goes in prison,money pay for drugs goes for state > administration/that's the way we in Serbia trough our temporary loose of > our > teritory -Kosovo...that's the way we pay USA and part of NATO > expensies...i > want you to know 'techne' they use not to spread false dilemma as you did > with*Bosnia*support...it would be better for you if you said :''I support > support...''There's more metaphysics material than in your 'pragamtic' > supporting of nothing/nothing is not ontologic category here,it's your > intelectual status,nothing's in yout head.../ and only WASP people as > worst > post-ideology junk maintenance illusion of order in country...they dig > hole > and cover them like victims in nazi-prison-camp do,they dig hole and get > 'false $' for that that because USA is/i suppose even you know/biggest > lazy > vagabond in whole world...fascism is winer...every country in EU who were > connected with nazi ideology- > Croatia,France,Bulgaria,Romania,Slovenia...etc...countries from ex USSR > near > Baltic sea...etc...are in one happy UE familly...who is in UE/but not > Serbs!because they bit nazis like nobody else in Europe in IIw.w except > Russian...but they/antinayi,anti-fascist/ are aristocracy for West...you > should wisper when you mentioned their name because they loose 20 billion > people for your white ass to hate them because you ARE nazi but they are > not....and Serbs are not nazi...we are punished/UE trow us ad marginem/, > now, but now we don't want EU anymore...find cheep slave in Obama's > Africa..they are going to be happy to serve their cousins from other side > of > Pacific for free..even more-they going to give them their oil as reward > for > make ruins of their country/Libya/...in few month Libyan people are going > to > crying and call trough tears Gaddafi's time of easy living...''rebels'' > are > going to be their beater...only BLOOD,POVERTY AND HUNGER for people under > NATO boot...oil for soft-ass West bloodsucker...just tell me if you want > some more lessons/but not for free anymore Herr Professor/...i can't wait > to > see your answer...it's going to be brilliant add to history of human > disgraceful...i could feel that...MANIK...SEPTEMBER...2011... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "manik"<[email protected]> > To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History > > > You,actually wrote nonsense.If you tell us that you've support Bosnian > fight > for freedom you should tell us which Bosnia.Theres/there was in that time > you talking about...and still is/for your information/Bosnia who 'belong' > to > Serbs- Republika Srpska, Bosnia who 'belong' to Muslims/so called Muslim > Entity/ and part of Bosnia 'draft' by Croatian .You just can't tell which > *freedom*you have been support because there's no Serb Orthodox > Freedom,there's no Muslims Muslim freedom and theres no Croatian Catholic > freedom.For clever man that quantity of inforamtions could be more than > enough.For dilettante as you are all books on the world about that issue > won't be enough.Secret is in beginning...MANIK...SEPTEMBER...2011... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Simon Biggs"<[email protected]> > To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 6:11 PM > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Horror Episodes in the Net.Art History > > > ...and indicative of how history repeats itself. I am sure that (whilst > most, if not all, of us on this list are to the left) there are mixed > opinions over what has happened in Libya and what should be done (for > example) in Syria or Palestine or, for that matter, how we should handle > the > current sovereign debt crisis. In the 1990's emotions ran high over what > happened as Yugoslavia broke up. Sometimes, even when you didn't seek it, > you ended up on one side or another. I supported Bosnia's bid for freedom > and got involved in initiatives there, as well as helping out refugees in > the UK. I also chose to show my work in Slovenia and Croatia during the > period of the Balkan wars, again because I supported their independence. > However, I doubt I'd have worked in Serbia during that period (I've shown > work there since 2000). Some people had an issue with that at that time, > including friends. Some probably still would. > > I was in Zagreb a few weeks ago and was struck how that conflict is still > raw and live. However, the big debate was not about the war but about > whether Croatia should join the EU. Some people I spoke with said they > would > like to see the old Yugoslavia back and consider Serbia as their natural > partner (and the EU, dominated by Germany, as their foe). I know the > history > there is extremely complex. We have (since the 19th Century) the English > verb "Balkanise" (to fragment and engender conflict in something), > indicating that this is not a recent phenomenon. The word has its roots in > the conflict between the Ottomans and Austro-Hungarians and thus, in a > way, > the situation goes back to the division of the Roman Empire into Eastern > and > Western zones. That is getting on for two millennia ago. That's a lot of > baggage. > > best > > Simon > > > On 10 Sep 2011, at 15:17, marc garrett wrote: > >> Hi Andrej, >> >> What I found strange, is that I have met you personally and know that >> the picture painted of you at the time is completely different... >> >> Some have asked why is it being discussed now - as in the NN thing? >> >> I am not sure how to answer this, other than, it was part of my own >> networked history also and it is one of those moments in time that >> younger generations should observe and then consider themselves, on >> their own terms - reflection is an important thing... >> >> chat again. >> >> marc >> >>> Hi Marc, >>> >>>> I was on Syndicate around this time - still on the list& have had all >>>> kinds of discussions through the years - mostly pretty tense. >>> I know you were around Syndicate at that time, like most of the >> NetBehaviour >>> list members, at Nettime too, I am still at Syndicate list, but was >> kicked >>> from Nettime back in 1998 as I documented in my Horror Net.Art History. >>> >>>> I am wondering how you feel now that time has passed - what have you >>>> learned this period and if the same thing happened now, would you react >>>> differently? >>> I feel still bitterness, betrayed and disappointed after that what has >>> happened >>> at Nettime, but I am glad that those crooks have shown their real faces >>> then, and that public is aware of that. I think nothing has changed >>> since >>> then. Before it was Yugoslavia, later Iraq, Afghanistan, now it is >>> Libya, >>> Egypt, Syria etc. Soros, CIA, MI6 and Al-Qaeda are doing their dirty >> job. I >>> keep on reacting, maybe in a more subtle way. >>> >>> >>>> wishing you well. >>> Wish you well too. >>> Andrej >>> >>> >>>> marc >>>>> Reminder of Nettime, Syndicate ... and Netochka Nezvanova >>>>> >>>>> http://www.atisma.com/webart/netart%20history/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > Simon Biggs | [email protected] | www.littlepig.org.uk > > [email protected] | Edinburgh College of Art | University of Edinburgh > www.eca.ac.uk/circle | www.elmcip.net | www.movingtargets.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
