1) Software is a product or a service ? Because if we look at that as service , for the users they are equal. And as product even worse they had the same lay out and the same GUI. So, no innovation on both. They are both products on the market.
2) How can you say that for example Wikipedia does not have a moderator ? (the others sites that you mentioned i will check) What CC mostly say is use this license (i know that are various types of it) so you are "protected", but it turns to them no problem in having your content, since they will not sell them, because what they care is to sell technologies, systems and control the content without any legal problems in case you accept the license. Facebook and Twitter have terms of use, we supose people know it. But putting a brand CC on your site it is cool and hype but this in fact allowed anyone to have your content, without any legal problems. 3) Whats the legitimacy in countries with different legal systems ? UK empire did not accept, for example. Years ago the theme of Ars Eletronica was Goodbye Privacy ! We live in a world with a lot of Cultures and Digital Culture is a restrictive term that must be rethinked. You can see, that with the widespread of "personal" computers and the net , we are seeing the digitalization of a lot of different cultures, what is very different than Digital Culture. So, Intel dictatorship, ICANN dictatorship, Apple Dictatorship (it was Microsoft on the 90s), Google dictatorship ... but the software is "free", digital culture is "free" too, living in "free" culture and with "free" data. Dont get me wrong it is time for revision, open source software certainly is not free , it is just open, and even open for the ones that wants to learn programming. But if you offer the same as the others in terms of GUI , what to say ? With no innovation things will be hard for open source software, they can sell to enterprises and goverments because the prices are lower, because there are no royalties, but they will not get any far without innovation. 8% for the Pirates on the last Berlin elections. I will not even mentioned the dictatorship of the files. http://books.google.com.br/books/about/Teor%C3%ADa_digital.html?id=WfJDAQAAIAAJ - the chapter of Ted Nelson talks about the files dictatorship. And about the satelites ? Are they free too ? In 2013 will be for example 20 years of the first web browser with images, maybe 2012 will be a good year for a meeting to discuss about what is going on after all this time. > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:47:20 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] My Lawyer want to be an Artist: Free (?) > Culture(s) Licenses are not Art Manifestos > > On 15/11/11 21:54, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > Compatible is not equal so the British as a "good" and old empire will > > be independent from a USA- NGO financed by Soros and etc. > > Certainly there's no upgrade path to be abused if CC turn evil, and I > can easily imagine sovereignty concerns playing a part. > > The OGL is usable alongside data under pretty much any free licence, but > specifically resembles CC-BY. > > > They say to you use this license but they dont care about tracking in > > fact they can track you, because they just want to control the content > > Tracking does not require free licencing. The major trackers all use > Terms and Conditions to track you. > > > and not to sell your product (only if they think they profit - profit in > > a broader sense). What they care is about selling technologies and > > systems , and off course control the content , and also hype the ones > > that are using in order to expand their network. > > Yes. Which is why it's strange Facebook and Twitter don't hype the > "technologies" of these licences. > > > The benefit for the public ? Shure ? I am not shure, the systems of > > tracking and the internet police are getting worse, so whats the use of > > it ? > > The benefit of data to the public. Free culture and free data do not > presuppose or support tracking. > > > Digital Culture is a term invented that can not be applied nowadays, > > what we are seeing is a process of digitalization > > of different cultures, in a world of various cultures. > > Yes I'd like to understand this better. > > > Sorry about my ignorance but what is FGPA and Tor style systems ? > > FGPA is "Field Gate Programmable Arrays", they are a kind of microchip > that can be structured through software and used to emulate microprocessors: > > http://www.opensparc.net/fpga/index.html > > http://www.ht-lab.com/freecores/cpu8086/cpu86.html > > http://opencores.org/ > > TOR is "The Onion Router", a system for anonymous (but not encrypted!) > web browsing: > > https://www.torproject.org/ > > > IPV6 is a private concern ? Can you develop on that. > > IPv6 is much better at identifying you to the network: > > http://www.ipv6.ru/russian/presscenter/press/ebsco/1.php > > > How can you say that Culture Flat Rate does not work ? Have you read the > > reports on it ? > > I can say it doesn't work because it will go to the major record labels > and remove any social or market incentives to create anything other than > the blandest bandwidth-filler. > > > Systems - interfaces - terms of use - moderators - quite the same > > everywhere. > > Not at all. > > http://autonomo.us/2008/07/franklin-street-statement/ > > https://duckduckgo.com/ > > https://identi.ca/ > > https://joindiaspora.com/ > > http://libre.fm/ > > http://mediagoblin.com/ > > http://www.wikipedia.org/ > > > Free software but microprocessors dictatorship ? What i am saying is > > that 2 companies dominate that market of microprocessors (your computer > > run without them ?), > > Which two? Intel dominates the market but ARM has surprised a lot of > people. AMD, Oracle, IBM, Apple and others are still producing their own > processors, and then there's the Chinese... > > The economics of hardware are a different matter from the freedom to use > the hardware that one owns however. > > > whats the alternative to that and how can you talk about a free software in > > that situation. > > The full-stack alternative is running GNU Social on an FGPA-based > GNU/Linux box over a mesh network. > > More practically, use the smallest ISP you can find to connect your > GNU/Linux box to free network services, and don't overlook old-fashioned > free media like mailing lists. :-) > > - Rob. > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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