Hi Paul, Dave, Annie & all, Regarding Geert's interview -- I actually agree with most of what he says. In fact, I tend to agree with most of his ideas and writings.
I think as a group, we're in tune (usually coincidentally with his reflections) but, living through them within a grounded context, which is of our everyday life experience and as part of surviving as an artist led group in a neoliberalist dominated culture. The audience he's talking to is an e-flux audience, and I think e-flux are part of an neoliberalist, elite establishment, so it's positive he is discussing these issues to its audience. Although, Paul has mentioned already things have been getting better and there is evidence of things gettign better. I would say that's true in some ways, but it may also be true that some of us have got older and into power and so able to support media art and net art more these days. And before this was not the case ;-) Wishing you well. marc On 30 September 2015 at 14:07, Paul Hertz <igno...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, happy to post polemics, it's a kind of a hobby. :^}. > > I think there has been a tendency for mainstream curators to approach more > recent digitally-mediated works as if they were in effect a sort of hybrid > old media, while still neglecting both historical and current "pure" > digital media. This has meant that certain kinds of digital hard copy > (modded photographic prints, collage and drawings, and even 3D printing == > "post-digital") can be welcomed while the internet as a platform is > generally ignored. I don't have any more evidence for this than > observation, and I have felt that the situation for digital art was > improving over the last ten years. OTOH, I can readily understand the > impatience. > > -- Paul > > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 7:56 AM, dave miller <dave.miller...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I think Geert is probably correct though - seems to me the art >> "establishment" aren't interested in internet/ digital art, though maybe >> they have a different view of it from us on here. The art world remains a >> mystery to me, so I may well be wrong. Thank god for Furtherfield, and I >> would love to know who are the curators 'not' scared of it. >> >> What's the ‘post-digital’ bandwagon? >> >> Dave >> >> On 30 September 2015 at 13:48, Annie Abrahams <bram....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> don't be small, don't think sectarism >>> Geert is closer to "us" than most "others" >>> get in contact with him, explain and connect, use his critical energy >>> >>> invite him to curate, to build, to discuss >>> >>> xxx >>> Annie >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:40 PM, NIKOS V <nikos...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I see the relevance in this approach, allthough I have to say its >>>> allready to late for that criticism no? >>>> >>>> Moreover, is he really interested in art? >>>> >>>> If yes, as Marc says, where are the references and the names ? >>>> >>>> And why is Venice Biennial important?To whom???? >>>> >>>> 2015-09-30 15:36 GMT+03:00 marc.garrett <marc.garr...@furtherfield.org> >>>> : >>>> >>>>> Hi Paul, >>>>> >>>>> Geert needs to be more specific and highlight the curators who are >>>>> 'not' scared and who have been showing technical artwork such as >>>>> Furtherifeld & others - his words are not grounded and are too absolute, >>>>> they do not reflect reality... >>>>> >>>>> marc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://conversations.e-flux.com/t/geert-lovink-on-social-media-and-the-arts/2581 >>>>> >>>>> "The absence at the 2015 Venice Bienale of digital arts and internet >>>>> works says it all. Curators are afraid to admit they are clueless and >>>>> continue their ignorant attitude towards art that deals with the digital >>>>> in >>>>> a direct matter (while checking their smart phone). Everyone jumps on the >>>>> ‘post-digital’ bandwagon because that’s cute and safe. [...] Curators and >>>>> critics are more than happy to embrace the race, gender, even the >>>>> anthroposcene (whatever that is), but are blind for the techno-politics of >>>>> the equipment and media they are using themselves so intensely. The >>>>> contradictions are becoming absurd. Video was the last technology they had >>>>> to deal with, but then it stopped." >>>>> — Geert Lovink >>>>> >>>>> // >>>>> >>>>> enjoy, >>>>> >>>>> -- Paul >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ----- |(*,+,#,=)(#,=,*,+)(=,#,+,*)(+,*,=,#)| --- >>>>> http://paulhertz.net/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NetBehaviour mailing >>>>> listNetBehaviour@netbehaviour.orghttp://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *26 09 14h* *vivre entre – from estranger to e-stranger*, une >>> *conférence performéefestival Magdalena, * La Bulle Bleue >>> <http://www.labullebleue.fr/#%21/magdalenaproject>, 285 rue du Mas de >>> Prunet, Montpellier >>> >>> aabrahams.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/vivre-entre-from-estranger-to-e-stranger/ >>> >>> >>> *besides, *online performances *On Object Agency * >>> with Martina Ruhsam >>> *archives* (text, script, video, images) >>> bram.org/besides/ >>> *Marc Garrett* interviewed me for the *Choose Your Muse* series on >>> *Furtherfield* >>> >>> furtherfield.org/features/interviews/choose-your-muse-interview-annie-abrahams >>> <http://www.furtherfield.org/features/interviews/choose-your-muse-interview-annie-abrahams> >>> <https://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2015/08/13/ed-atkins-remediating/> >>> >>> >>> <http://turbulence.org/commissions/besides/> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > > > -- > ----- |(*,+,#,=)(#,=,*,+)(=,#,+,*)(+,*,=,#)| --- > http://paulhertz.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >
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