We have almost no access in NYC oddly enough so I haven't really
participated here, but it seems to me that Netbehaviour/Furtherfield are
ideal in their scale and openness/TAZ all the way down, not so T thank god
-
On Wed, 30 Sep 2015, Annie Abrahams wrote:
I am one of those who isn't really waiting for curators to pick up digital
art. The so-called art world is institutional, capitalistic, elitist - it
thrives on money.
In this article Geert says something very interesting to me :
" We need to design new ?stages? where we can act out our collective resistance.
I am very interested in new forms of organization (called orgnets) and how
these cells can become ?crowd crystals? for new discourses. Later on we can see
how these things scale up. Right now we need more experimentation, temporary
autonomous zones where discussion can thrive. I fear this will not happen
inside the monopoly social media (obviously) but maybe also not on the open
internet as we know it as these public spaces are terrorized by trolls and
controlled by bots. In this turbulent yet fragile global condition, what the
world needs is semi-closed networks."
I don't even know what orgnets are, nor crowd crystals, but it triggers my
imagination and Netbehaviour does seem to be an exemple of the semi-closed
networks he mentions.
Question: Is netbehaviour semi-closed?
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Paul Hertz <igno...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, happy to post polemics, it's a kind of a hobby. :^}.
I think there has been a tendency for mainstream curators to approach
more recent digitally-mediated works as if they were in effect a sort
of hybrid old media, while still neglecting both historical and
current "pure" digital media. This has meant that certain kinds of
digital hard copy (modded photographic prints, collage and drawings,
and even 3D printing == "post-digital") can be welcomed while the
internet as a platform is generally ignored. I don't have any more
evidence for this than observation, and I have felt that the situation
for digital art was improving over the last ten years. OTOH, I can
readily understand the impatience.
-- Paul
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 7:56 AM, dave miller
<dave.miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Geert is probably correct though - seems to me the
art "establishment" aren't interested in internet/ digital
art, though maybe they have a different view of it from us
on here. The art world remains a mystery to me, so I may
well be wrong. Thank god for Furtherfield, and I would
love to know who are the curators 'not' scared of it.
What's the ?post-digital? bandwagon?
Dave
On 30 September 2015 at 13:48, Annie Abrahams
<bram....@gmail.com> wrote:
don't be small, don't think sectarism
Geert is closer to "us" than most "others"
get in contact with him, explain and connect, use his
critical energy
invite him to curate, to build, to discuss
xxx
Annie
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:40 PM, NIKOS V
<nikos...@gmail.com> wrote:
I see the relevance in this approach,
allthough I have to say its allready to late
for that criticism no?
Moreover, is he really interested in art?
If yes, as Marc says, where are the references and
the names ?
And why is Venice Biennial important?To whom????
2015-09-30 15:36 GMT+03:00 marc.garrett
<marc.garr...@furtherfield.org>:
Hi Paul,
Geert needs to be more specific and
highlight the curators who are 'not'
scared and who have been showing
technical artwork such as Furtherifeld &
others - his words are not grounded and
are too absolute, they do not reflect
reality...
marc
http://conversations.e-flux.com/t/geert-lovink-on-social-media-and-the-arts
/2581
"The absence at the 2015 Venice Bienale
of digital arts and internet works says
it all. Curators are afraid to admit
they are clueless and continue their
ignorant attitude towards art that deals
with the digital in a direct matter
(while checking their smart phone).
Everyone jumps on the ?post-digital?
bandwagon because that?s cute and safe.
[...] Curators and critics are more than
happy to embrace the race, gender, even
the anthroposcene (whatever that is),
but are blind for the techno-politics of
the equipment and media they are using
themselves so intensely. The
contradictions are becoming absurd.
Video was the last technology they had
to deal with, but then it stopped."
? Geert Lovink
//
enjoy,
-- Paul
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