On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:09 PM, jtd <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thursday 15 October 2009, Amol Hatwar wrote: >> ** My Comments Inline ** > >> > >> >> The aim of trade left unions are improve the living conditions of >> >> the >> >> workers and getting their needs met. >> > >> > Dont make me laugh. Personal experience of living thru the violence >> > and misery >> > caused by unionism because they have a complete lack of >> > understanding (or >> > atleast their actions show such a lack) of how economics works, >> > showed me >> > otherwise. To give you a few examples L & T, the mill strikes, small >> > industry >> > unrest in ghatkopar and vikhroli, National Rayon Corp. Ambivli, Amar >> > Dye >> > Chem, Century Rayon Kalyan, Several factories in Ambad Nasik, Bush >> > and >> > Murphy India, Mukand Iron and steel, Kamani Engineering, Siemens >> > Kalwa, >> > Premier automobiles, GKW Bhandup, Godrej etc. >> >> Unions are good, management needs to be kept in check every once in a >> while. But the way thing perpetrated in all the above examples were >> bad. As they say, too much of anything is bad. > > Not at all. Unions arise not where there is injustice (with one ironical > exception that i know of), but where there is a fast buck to be made. Thus if > an industry is doing "well", the union (worker) will demand a cut of the
There are lot of industries(IT for one) that are doing well and where there are no Unions. You seems to think of workers as highway robbers who are waiting in the dark to rob the profit making industrialist, there are voices in very employer organization including NASSCOMM that spread this myth continuously(Union == Industry collapse). A business exists for the sole purpose of profits. It is only natural that to counterbalance one sided interests the employees collectivize, there is nothing unnatural in it. Some places for obvious reasons the industrialist will oppose this move tooth and nail, like we recently saw in the jet pilots strike where the management illegally terminated pilots who had merely exercised their constitutional rights. Because the pilots were united they stood their ground and the management had to take roll back their illegal decision, which would not have happened otherwise. Every tom, dick and harry here knows that the present recession has caused a situation where to maintain their rate of profitability a lot of industries are resorting to unconstitutional measures which are outright illegal. One which is very often seen is to forcefully ask the employee to resign, we see this happening with regularity in the IT industry. There is no unity in the employees in these sectors and hence no counter balance and hence these enforced resignation is continuing, the Industry calls this by the fancy name "involuntary attrition" and because of confusion created by people like you, the Industry captains have the audacity like for example NASSCOMM chief saying in an event organized by BJP IT cell in bangalore that the IT industry will continue to be a "Net hirer" meaning simply that they will continue to fire whom they want and intake whom they want at prices they seem fit, just like in the old day slave markets. Like Obama said, we need to see employees who are fired not as mere statistics but as people, who have families dependent on them. In the IT industry around 10% of employees have been removed, forced to resign(illegal). But off course if and when there will be voices raised against these and many other practises people like you will accuse employees as robbers after a fast buck. Latest examples like the Jet pilots strike clearly show that this is not the case, their action was a reaction to illegal management steps. Anyways, I am an employee and don't have all the time in the world to continuously argue. I have work to do, in between which it is a struggle to visit colleges and talk to people and spread the free software word. In the mean time people who have hired labour and have lot of free time can go on endlessly accusing workers on behalf of their tribe interests through e-mails. I like to see these anti worker mails in fosscomm, because thats the beauty of the free software idea, it breaks the system from inside(the future becomes suddenly "open") if you understand what I mean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_union If you have facts and stats to claim what you are saying, edit wikipedia about why you think Unions arise. Maybe someday I will read enough of Ayn Rand and become like her pupils, but not one of these days where it is clear to anyone who bothers to see what has happened to the economy because of unregulated(government control) over business houses, maybe she would have changed her mind like one of her admirers Alan Greenspan at least admitting to "partial wrongs" and suggesting "self-regulation" (instead of government regulation) which like Stiglitz said is an oxymoron. _______________________________________________ network mailing list [email protected] http://lists.fosscom.in/listinfo.cgi/network-fosscom.in
